Alternative German Fighters: Me-209, Me-309, He-100, etc.

[CharlesBronson]

I have to correct you because you are wrong, the series D use a Junkers Jumo engine, The Ta-152C a Daimler-Benz DB-603, the Ta-152H a Junker Jumo and the Ta-153 should use the DB engine as well.

 

[KraziKanuK]

Charles, your photo is of the Fw190V32/U1. This was powered by a DB engine as the air intake is on the port side. The Jumos had the air intake on the starboard side. The V17 was powered by a Jumo 213.

The D-14 and D-15 were to use the DB engine.

 

[CharlesBronson]

Yes, I was reading the "Monogram close up Ta-152" and I ve noticed that, thanks for the correction.

 

[Twitch]

I was toying with the idea of how the He 100 or the Me 209 would look/function with a BMW radial. Hmmm?

 

[CharlesBronson]

In the Heinkel He-100...I dont think so, it was a very sensitive airplane regarding the powerplant because it was made "around" the lineal Mercedes.

In the 209 maybe, actually there was a couple of prototipes of the BF-109 with radial engines, one with the BMW 801C and the other with an american made pratt whitney R-1830. They worked well but those aircraft were slower than the normal v-12 variants.

The most powerful german radial was the BMW 802 18-cylinder, twin-row radial engine with a three-speed, single stage supercharger. This engine had a 2600 HP take-off rating, and could deliver 1600 HP at an altitude of 12000 m (39000')...but this engine only was made in a few numbers.

Check this link.

http://www.luft46.com/fw/fwbmw802.html

 

[Henk]

CharlesBronson you are correct about the engines used in the Fw-190 D and Ta-52 series. Thank you for correcting me.

Nice info CharlesBronson.

Henk

 

[CharlesBronson]

Focke Wulf Flitzer, single engine alternative to the Me-262, He-162.

 

[Twitch]

That mixed powerplant must have kicked ass!

PROJECT P.6
This plane had an all-together different role as a bomber interceptor. It was dubbed Flitzer (Streaker or Madcap have been translated, assigned names but in German it literally means Jeep- military). By late 1944 it was in the wooden mock-up stage with a chance of seeing production. The De Havilland Vampire in development soon thereafter in Britain is a near clone but the twin-engine DH 110 is even closer. A look at the later SAAB 21 tells the same story of copy of form. A hand-launched glider model also is seen in contemporary photos so we know the form was sound.

The Flitzer was to have two HeS 011s with 2,866 lbs. thrust each in the rear fuselage with the twin-boom tail offering a high-mount horizontal stabilizer connecting them. A Walter HWK 509A bi-fuel rocket with 2,646 lbs. thrust was to boost combat and climb speed.

The pilot sat in the same general fuselage position as the above-mentioned planes ahead of the 32-degree swept leading edge of the wing, which had a straight trailing edge. Span was 26.1 feet with length at 32.1 feet. A 516 MPH maximum projected speed seems much too modest. But climb was to be its strength with 36,091 feet achieved from a standing start in 1.9 minutes! Range was thought to be about 800 miles but other data is unknown. A pair of Mk 108s in the lower nose and two 20 mm MG 151s in the wings would have armed the ship. It suffered loss of production to the Ta 183.

A similar shape had no project designation and used a BMW 803 with 3,950 HP pushing contra-rotating props. Armament was the same but the span measured 42.3 feet with a length of 45.25 feet. Weights we not projected.

The layout was validated in its contemporaries. The mixed power would have made it a super fighter.

 

[Henk]

Great info and pictures.

I never knew they made such a aircraft.

Henk

 

[CharlesBronson]

The internal layout of the Me 209V5 (A-1)

 

[Henk]

Great drawing.

Henk

 

[loomaluftwaffe]

nice drawing

i would think that the He100 would be better, they have to do something about the cooler sooner or later

the 209 and 309 were cancelled because they were only very slightly better than the 109, were obviously more expensive and harder to mas-produce

 

[CharlesBronson]

Two alternatives to the FW Ta-152H.

Ta-152A-1, 11 meters wingspan, Jumo 213, cancelled basically because did not improved the Fw-190D desing.

Ta-152B-4 design for an armoured Slatchflugzeug ground attacker with a very, very heavy gun armament, 4 x Mg-151/20 plus 2 x 30mm MK-108 and a centerline MK-103 for the antiarmour role.

That would make the Ta-152B the most gunned single engine aircraft of the WW2.

 

[loomaluftwaffe]

omfg first time ive seen those stuff, have any info on Fw190B/C?

 

[KraziKanuK]

omfg first time ive seen those stuff, have any info on Fw190B/C?

Get the Dietmar Hermann book on the 'long nose'. ISBN 0-7643-1876-4

Lots of info in it.

He also has a book on the Ta152.

 

[GregP]

Hey, the Canadians fly jets! Remember the CF-100? Or the Arrow? They now fly Hornets and their Hornets are as good as any Hornets.

 

[Twitch]

Hey GreggyP.....are ya following me?

 

[loomaluftwaffe]

Hey, the Canadians fly jets! Remember the CF-100? Or the Arrow? They now fly Hornets and their Hornets are as good as any Hornets.

dude wrong thread

 

[CharlesBronson]

Hey, the Canadians fly jets! Remember the CF-100? Or the Arrow? They now fly Hornets and their Hornets are as good as any Hornets.

......no more snorting before posting please

 

[CharlesBronson]

The high altitude Me-155B and his engine.