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More importantly, not to be lost amidst this quibbling over what makes a penetration a penetration, and which round was more relevent vs. another, is the salient fact that the tests were instrumental in the RN's decision to adopt A/N as it's future protection scheme as the newer quality shells clearly demonstrated that medium armor types were of little value vs. heavy shells.
Per the terms of the Anglo-German Treaty of 1935, Germany agreed to limit maximum size of new battleship construction to 35,000 tons.
The German Navies violations of its treaty was proven to the best standards of International law at nurnberg.
This subsequent denial of german war guilt
You call it quibbling, but I call it precise differentiation. It is necessary because You made up the case that with MkVa GREENBOY, the GF certainly would get more ship kills at Jutland than it got historically.
That William Schleihauf echoe Your viewpoint does not automatically support Your position.
To retreat on an authoritative statement when aviable evidence does not agree is a very questionable approach and not methodology (Popper anyone?).
Also, he should have read Campbell more carefully, so that he don´t miss the second effective penetration through medium armour at Jutland.
He however also stated the inconsistent delay pattern of the type 16D delay fuse, which is literally what the ADM also states.
His conclusion is much more careful than Yours. Instead of speaking about disabled and sunk ships, he states that more damage becomes possible.
Anyway, my point was that not the shell but the propellant caused problems.
My apologies if I violated Forum rules.
I will cease and desist on this thread.
Someone talked about treaty of versailles violation .This criminal treaty was very soon broken by its own creators ,by the Franco-Belgian invation of Ruhr in 1921-23 .
You talked about the nurberg trial. You mean the trial that in order to convict the germans used laws that did not exist at the time of the crime? Dont get me wrong . The criminals deserved their convictions. (So did bomber Harris)That trial proved that if you are a defeated admiral you got automaticaly 10 years in prison.
About if allies cheated. I read from Conways: 1922-1946 North Carolina 37484t standart South Dakota 37970 standart as completed. And its doubtful if they were fully equiped . Cruiser "Wichita " entered serviced with reduced secondary armament in order to be "legal" Of course it was very easy to install the additional weapons. That was the way the allies respected the treaties . Japan and Italy openly did not sign the treaties .
Hitles germany was hitlers germany, but that does not erase other nations illegal actions and crimes. In our days,We should judge both sides with the same criteria.
When Graf Spee fought the Ajax, Achilles and Exeter all the RN ships had their reduced secondary armament still in place.