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"Its spindly narrow-track undercarriage is actually much too weak to cope with the enormous torque, rate of yaw, and turbulence of the airscrew. Take-off accidents are therefore commonplace..."
I've always considered this view, and it isn't just Rall's, both an over simplification and a cop out. The track of a Spitfire undercarriage is very similar (the geometry is not) to a Bf 109 and I've never heard anyone claim that it made the Spitfire difficult to handle on the ground, land and take off.
Just saying
Cheers
Steve
I have seen many report from Luftwaffe pilots stating thaht the landing gear was well suited to forward airstrip operations. In particular, I have noted that heavy braking could be applied without fear of pitch-over, so the statement above is somewhat baffling to me after 40 years of reading otherwise.
I HAVE heard that the statement above that the 109 was not forgiving of landing on one gear leg is true, yet it doesn't seem to be an issue with the Spitfire that has similar gear width. The pilots who flew our Hispano Ha.1112 say it is a bit of a beast on the ground and can be in the air, too, but the reason we experienced a groundloop in it during the year 2000 was not poor piloting technique, but rather failure of the right brake on takeoff. Maybe you can get away with that one on grass, but not on pavement. Needless to say the brake system is getting scrutiny as it goes back together.
... That outward slant of the 109 undercarriage meant that anything but a perfect two-wheel landing could push the wheel sideways, which could result in a ground loop. The straight legs of the Spitfire resisted that sideways thrust, albeit a heavy landing could push the leg up through the wing. The Spitfire's biggest weakness was that it could, and did, tip up on its nose under heavy breaking, unlike the 109.
....The pilots who flew our Hispano Ha.1112 say it is a bit of a beast on the ground and can be in the air, too, but the reason we experienced a groundloop in it during the year 2000 was not poor piloting technique, but rather failure of the right brake on takeoff. ....
Hi Aozora,
I would never dismiss Rall's comments out of hand' he was a master of the Bf 109, if ever there was one. However, it is very possible that his memories were from when he first tansitioned into it rather than from later operational flying. First flights in high-powered planes are always sharp memories. I clearly recall my first flight in a 260 HP Pitts Special since prior to that time, the highest horsepower plane I had flown was 225 HP, but the Pitts was diminutive compared with a Cessna 172. The torque difference, considering it was a conventional gear plane AND higher power AND much shorter-coupled combined for an unforgettable takeoff. When the power goes to 1,475 HP or more, the impressions must be commensurately stronger.
In many reports I have read and in talking with some former Bf 109 pilots from WWII at the musuem, I am under a strong impression that the proper way to fly a Bf 109 was carefully discussed and training was tailored to it, rendering it less daunting. If Rall trasitioned into it in 1939, then war was almost upon the Germans (or the rest of the woirld, as you care to look at it) and perhaps his training was of the "hurried" variety? Not having been there, I can't say.
But I have spoken with at least a dozen former Luftwaffe pilots who really liked the Bf 109 and its handling characteristics. They didn't view them as shortcomings and perhaps the memories are simply best recollections from a LONG time ago. Of course, they WERE operating from grass and dirt / mud, not from pavement.
All this makes for a very interesting discussion, but it hardly seem as if an unbiased flight report from a contemporary pilot will be forthcoming in the forum here to help give us closure, does it? I still think it is a strong candidate for best fighter of all times, but won't get acrimonious about it.
It is unlikely we will see closure on many of the myths that will not die anytime soon, but the discussion are always fun.
Sorry, Millville, New Jersey
See why this is in an "Aviation myths that will not die" thread? On the other hand Rall had plenty of experience in the 109, so to dismiss his opinion about how tricky it could be for a novice, and call it a "cop out" is in itself a cop out.
The myth of mistaken identity was a result of the RAF scribe that produced the first official history of the Battle of Britain in 1942 and it is this that has a played a large part in defining the Defiant's post-war reputation, since almost every post-war author, apart from a very small few - like with the 100 foot hangar door limitation on the Stirling's wingspan - rehashes the myth in his or her coverage of the aircraft.
Yeah, but nothing says "I want to be ridiculed day and night for the next 6 months" like the arse-end of a P-47 flapping in the breeze does!...i have seen several pics of @$$ high 51s with the prop buried in the ground.