mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
The best looking has to be the Hally with that streamlinrd nose on the MkIII, there's no spot on the chin as CC has put it before
Best Aircraft in Many Different Roles Part II
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What do you think was the best British aircraft in different roles?
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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- Dec 20, 2003
the mossie.........
mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
I agree
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
- 19,937
- Dec 20, 2003
there really is nothing else in the running 
For british aircraft I would say mossie or lanc.
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cheddar cheese
Major General
No it really has to be the Mossie. I suppose you could compare the Beaufighter but it wasnt really in th same league.
mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
The Mossie looked beautiful and deadly, the Beau just looked deadly
I was never impressed with beau
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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- Dec 20, 2003
why not?? name a better pre/early war heavy fighter that had such a long service history and could be used as a fighter, torp. bomber and nightfighter.........
No for me it is just opinion and I dont like the way it looks. Besides by the time the war started she did not stand a chance against a Bf-109E.
mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
But if a 109 got in front of the Beau it would be goodbye for the 109
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cheddar cheese
Major General
the lancaster kicks ass said:
P-38 8)
wmaxt
Staff Sergeant
cheddar cheese said:the lancaster kicks ass said:
P-38 8)
Yup!
Yeah was deffinatly better, and dont forget about the Bf-110. It was better then a beaufighter and could be used has a heavy fighter, torp, night fighter and such. She does not compare to a P-38 but would outfly a beaufighter.
mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
It would be a close one ut I'd take a Beau every time
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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- Dec 20, 2003
firstly the P-38 wasn't a heavy fighter, and secondly i'd take the beau as well, a huge punch and could take allot of damage..........
The P-38 may not have been a heavy fighter but this sure as hell is heavy eneough:
XP-38:
Four 23mm Madsen Cannon with 50 r.p.g.
Four .50 Colt-Browning MG 53 m.g. with 1,000 r.p.g.
YP-38: 37mm Oldsmobile cannon, two .50 and two .30 machine guns
P-38: 37mm Oldsmobile cannon and four .50 machine guns.
P-38E:
20mm Hispano M1 Cannon with 150 rounds
Four .50 Colt-Browning MG 53-2 m.g. with 500 rounds per gun.
P-38L:
20mm Hispano M2(C) Cannon with 150 rounds
Four .50 Colt-Browning MG 53-2 m.g. with 500 rounds per gun.
And now lets compare it to the Beaufighter and the Bf-110
Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4/B
Armament:
Nose Fixed firing forward
Four 7.9mm MG 17 Machine Guns with 1,000 rounds per gun
And
Two 20mm MG FF Cannon with 180 rounds per gun
Rear Gun in flexible mounting in rear cockpit
One 7.9mm MG 15 Machine Gun with 750 rounds.
Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-5
Armament:
Rear Gun in flexible mounting in rear cockpit
One 7.9mm MG 15 Machine Gun with 750 rounds.
Messerschmitt Bf 110 D-3
Armament:
Nose: Fixed firing forward
Four 7.9mm MG 17 Machine Guns with 1,000 r.p.g.
And
Two 20mm MG FF Cannon with 180 r.p.g.
Rear Gun: In flexible mounting in rear cockpit
Two 7.9mm MG 15 Machine Gun with 750 rounds.
Messerschmitt Bf 110 G
Armament:
Nose: Fixed firing forward
Two 30mm Mk 108 Cannon with 135 rounds per gun
Two 20mm MG 151 Cannon with 300 rounds(port) and 350 rounds(starboard)
And
Two 20mm MG 151 Cannon in Schrage Musik installation (Firing Obliquely forward)
Or
Two 7.92mm MG 81 in rear cockpit
Optional:
Waffenwanne 151Z ventral tray housing two forward firing 20mm MG 151 cannon
ARMAMENT:
Four 20mm Hispano cannon fixed under nose.
Ammunition: 60 rounds per gun.*
*Initially hand loaded drums, later belt fed.
One .303 in. Vickers K aimed by observer.
Fighter Marks, in addition to above:
Four .303 in. Brownings fixed in starboard wing.
Two .303 in. Brownings fixed in port wing.
So with the exception of the Bf-110G, and some Fighter marks of the Bristol Beaufighter, the P-38's firepower was no different then either aircraft. The Bf-110 would outfly a Beaufighter and the P-38 would outfly both of them and the firepower was about the same. How about that.
XP-38:
Four 23mm Madsen Cannon with 50 r.p.g.
Four .50 Colt-Browning MG 53 m.g. with 1,000 r.p.g.
YP-38: 37mm Oldsmobile cannon, two .50 and two .30 machine guns
P-38: 37mm Oldsmobile cannon and four .50 machine guns.
P-38E:
20mm Hispano M1 Cannon with 150 rounds
Four .50 Colt-Browning MG 53-2 m.g. with 500 rounds per gun.
P-38L:
20mm Hispano M2(C) Cannon with 150 rounds
Four .50 Colt-Browning MG 53-2 m.g. with 500 rounds per gun.
And now lets compare it to the Beaufighter and the Bf-110
Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4/B
Armament:
Nose Fixed firing forward
Four 7.9mm MG 17 Machine Guns with 1,000 rounds per gun
And
Two 20mm MG FF Cannon with 180 rounds per gun
Rear Gun in flexible mounting in rear cockpit
One 7.9mm MG 15 Machine Gun with 750 rounds.
Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-5
Armament:
Rear Gun in flexible mounting in rear cockpit
One 7.9mm MG 15 Machine Gun with 750 rounds.
Messerschmitt Bf 110 D-3
Armament:
Nose: Fixed firing forward
Four 7.9mm MG 17 Machine Guns with 1,000 r.p.g.
And
Two 20mm MG FF Cannon with 180 r.p.g.
Rear Gun: In flexible mounting in rear cockpit
Two 7.9mm MG 15 Machine Gun with 750 rounds.
Messerschmitt Bf 110 G
Armament:
Nose: Fixed firing forward
Two 30mm Mk 108 Cannon with 135 rounds per gun
Two 20mm MG 151 Cannon with 300 rounds(port) and 350 rounds(starboard)
And
Two 20mm MG 151 Cannon in Schrage Musik installation (Firing Obliquely forward)
Or
Two 7.92mm MG 81 in rear cockpit
Optional:
Waffenwanne 151Z ventral tray housing two forward firing 20mm MG 151 cannon
ARMAMENT:
Four 20mm Hispano cannon fixed under nose.
Ammunition: 60 rounds per gun.*
*Initially hand loaded drums, later belt fed.
One .303 in. Vickers K aimed by observer.
Fighter Marks, in addition to above:
Four .303 in. Brownings fixed in starboard wing.
Two .303 in. Brownings fixed in port wing.
So with the exception of the Bf-110G, and some Fighter marks of the Bristol Beaufighter, the P-38's firepower was no different then either aircraft. The Bf-110 would outfly a Beaufighter and the P-38 would outfly both of them and the firepower was about the same. How about that.
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
- 19,937
- Dec 20, 2003
the beau would have no problem sticking with a Bf-110, she also had a supprisingly low wing loading and so was suprisingly manouverable.........
evangilder
"Shooter"
One note on the 37mm armed P-38, it only carried 15 roounds! Not much ammo if the the fit hits the shan.
