mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
Infantry and tanks fall out of the sky? What planet are you on?
Well, the infantry are called paratroops if you didn't know
best allied tank?
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Well, the infantry are called paratroops if you didn't know
schwarzpanzer
Senior Airman
- 662
- Aug 8, 2005
I'll accept, I am an awkward bugger!
The turret could have been narrower at the bottom, like the T34.
It was just vulnerable full stop, thinner armour than a Sherman and just as big a target albeit with good manouverability, but not completely pointless. Though obviously the crew were 'expendable'.
mosquitoman said:
I was waiting for someone to say that.
Was expecting PD to. 
mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
The Russians also had a glider tank aswell
schwarzpanzer
Senior Airman
- 662
- Aug 8, 2005
There was even a rocket-powered Valentine! 
Some other nation(s) tried a flying tank during WW2 IIRC?
Some other nation(s) tried a flying tank during WW2 IIRC?
RAGMAN
Airman
Glideable tank? That must have been the anscestor of the SU25 in the other thread!
syscom3
Pacific Historian
Ive always wondered why the Brits used a weight measure to identify the size of the guns and not a diameter like everyone else.
Can you tell me what the bore size is for a 17 pounder?
Can you tell me what the bore size is for a 17 pounder?
Syscom, here is a webpage with the conversions as well as the penetration values of the various British guns: http://www.wwiivehicles.com/unitedkingdom/PenetrationTables.htm#17pdr (That is set for the 17 Pounder, the others are all there too.)
syscom3
Pacific Historian
Thanks. Good info there.
Now do you know why the Brits used the weight system and not a measurement ?
Now do you know why the Brits used the weight system and not a measurement ?
No I don't. Sorry pD might though...
Glider
Captain
I think you will find that it was 76mm, as was the 77mm in the Comet. The reason was a wonderfully simple awnser to a potential dangerous problem.
As you say traditionally we used the weight of the shell as the marker but it did have one benefit. The allies had three guns with the same calibre the US 76, the 17pd and the gun in the Comet which was 76mm. Had we called them all 76mm, there could have been significant problems with ammunition as they couldn't fire the same shells. By calling the Comet 77 and marking the ammo up confusion was averted.
As you say traditionally we used the weight of the shell as the marker but it did have one benefit. The allies had three guns with the same calibre the US 76, the 17pd and the gun in the Comet which was 76mm. Had we called them all 76mm, there could have been significant problems with ammunition as they couldn't fire the same shells. By calling the Comet 77 and marking the ammo up confusion was averted.
syscom3
Pacific Historian
Well thats one good reason, but the system of measurement must have been in place prior to WW2.
Glider
Captain
Not for the UK. Remember we had the 2pd, 6pd, 17pd, 25pd, plus in the first world war the 6pd, 13pd and 18pd. Even after WWII we had the 20pd.
Let the rest of the world go for mm we stuck to weights for as long as we could.
Let the rest of the world go for mm we stuck to weights for as long as we could.
We still use the 25pd, I think, or at least until recently.
trackend
Chief Master Sergeant
102first_hussars
Tech Sergeant
Centurion Mk. I
Though it didnt see combat during WW2 it was designed during and saw post-war service in Europe,
It proved an excellent Tank during
Korean War - United Kingdom
Suez Crisis- (United Kingdom)
Six Day War - (Israel)
Yom Kippur War - (Israel)
Vietnam War - (Australia)
Angola Bush War - (South Africa)
Gulf War - UK as Centurion AVRE's
Or the Cromwell wich was specifaclly designed to counter the threat posed by the newer Panzer Series
Though it didnt see combat during WW2 it was designed during and saw post-war service in Europe,
It proved an excellent Tank during
Korean War - United Kingdom
Suez Crisis- (United Kingdom)
Six Day War - (Israel)
Yom Kippur War - (Israel)
Vietnam War - (Australia)
Angola Bush War - (South Africa)
Gulf War - UK as Centurion AVRE's
Or the Cromwell wich was specifaclly designed to counter the threat posed by the newer Panzer Series
P38 Pilot
Tech Sergeant
I think the best allied tank was the M26 Pershing. Why? Because America finally had a tank that could take on the Panther or a Tiger. The M26 was still used in the Korean War to take on the T-34.
About the Sherman, it was an ok tank. I think the best models used with the M4 were the M-7 and Firefly that had what i think was the 85mm gun that could penetrate German tank Armour.
About the Sherman, it was an ok tank. I think the best models used with the M4 were the M-7 and Firefly that had what i think was the 85mm gun that could penetrate German tank Armour.
trackend
Chief Master Sergeant
It was a 17pounder (76.2mm) on the Firefly P38 but as you say it had the hitting power that the earlier (and most widely used) Sherman 75mm lacked terribly.
The M7 was a Priest SPG based on the Sherman chassis, it wasn't a kind of Sherman. The most powerful American Sherman was the M4A3E8 'Easy Eight' with 76mm cannon, wet stowage and HVSS (Horizontal Volute Suspension).
The Cromwell was designed as an improvement on the Cruiser types that the British used. It wasn't much of an improvement either until they put the 75mm in it. The A34 Comet was an improvement over that which carried the OQF 77mm (adaptation of the OQF 17pdr) which wasn't that much weaker than the 17pdr.
The Cromwell was designed as an improvement on the Cruiser types that the British used. It wasn't much of an improvement either until they put the 75mm in it. The A34 Comet was an improvement over that which carried the OQF 77mm (adaptation of the OQF 17pdr) which wasn't that much weaker than the 17pdr.
