Best Bomber of WW2 -- #3

[plan_D]

TB-3 ... while not very good, it was a heavy bomber at least.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

true, although i kinda like fb's idea

 

[FLYBOYJ]

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Guys, guys, guys this list is great and all, and I happen to agree with the list so far as being:

B-29
Lancaster
B-17
B-24
Halifax

and the list goes and goes but lets slow down here. Let syscom come in and exlain how that is all wrong because the flight sims say so.

Sorry syscom I have to poke some fun.

 

[KraziKanuK]

Guys, guys, guys this list is great and all, and I happen to agree with the list so far as being:

B-29
Lancaster
B-17
B-24
Halifax

I see the Hallie is getting a bum rap, again.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Guys, guys, guys this list is great and all, and I happen to agree with the list so far as being:

B-29
Lancaster
B-17
B-24
Halifax

I see the Hallie is getting a bum rap, again.

It was a great bomber but I think the -17 and -24 were better by the slightest margin...

 

[syscom3]

I was looking at the ranges the B24's were flying in the PTO and the B17 could not have flown them.

While its range in the ETO was sufficent, it was completly inadequate in the PTO.

I would agree about the B17 being #3 in the ETO, but it gets a big derating in the PTO.

For the PTO, the B24 and Lanc are still essentially tied. The longer range/payload of the Lanc being offset by its "potentially" higher loss rate.

 

[KraziKanuK]

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It was a great bomber but I think the -17 and -24 were better by the slightest margin...

Then that would put them in front of the Lanc. There was not much difference between a Lanc and a Hallie.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

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It was a great bomber but I think the -17 and -24 were better by the slightest margin...

Then that would put them in front of the Lanc. There was not much difference between a Lanc and a Hallie.

Lancaster was faster, flew higher, had a greater bomb load was produced in more numbers and was the spearhead of the RAF night bombardment of Germany. Although the Halifax served and performed admirably, it cannot hold close to the record of the -17 or -24.

The B-24 was faster and had a greater range (2100 miles on a 5000 pound bomb load). The -17 flew higher, was more heavily armed and could absorb more punishment than all the above....

The record and survivability of the B-17 is well documented, the -24 served on every front and was the most numerous bomber ever produced (18,000+)....

 

[KraziKanuK]

Halifax Mk III

General characteristics
Crew: 7
Length: 71 ft 7 in (21.82 m)
Wingspan: 104 ft 2 in (31.75 m) (98ft 8in - HP57 MKI)
Height: 20 ft 9 in (6.32 m)
Wing area: 1,190 ft² (110.6 m²)
Loaded: 54,400 lb (24,675 kg)
Powerplant: 4 x Bristol Hercules XVI radial engines, 1,615 hp ( kW) each

Performance
Maximum speed: 282 mph at 13,500 ft (454 km/h at 4,115 m)
Combat range: 1,860 miles (3,000 km)
Rate of climb: 750 ft/min (229 m/min)
Service ceiling: 24,000 ft (7,315 m)

Lancaster

Maximum speed: 280 mph at 15,000 ft (448 km/h at 5,600 m)
Combat range: 2,700 miles with minimal bomb load (4,320 km with minimal bomb load)
Service ceiling 23,500 ft 8,160 m
Empty: 36 828 lb 16,705 kg
Loaded: 63,000 lb 28,636 kg

 

[FLYBOYJ]

The Lancaster could go up to 70,000 pounds (I think we're looking at the same site)

Type: Heavy Bomber
Origin: Avro
Models: Lancaster I to MR.7
Crew: Seven
First Flight: January 9, 1941
Service Delivery: September 1941
Final Delivery From New: February 2, 1946
Number Produced: 7,377 (430 Canadian built)
Mark I: 3,425
Mark II: 300
Mark III: 3,039

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Powerplant:
Lancaster Mk. I:
Model: Rolls-Royce Or Packard Merlin 20 or 22
Type: 12-Cylinder liquid cooled vee
Number: Four Horsepower: 1,460 hp

Lancaster Mk. II Only:
Model: Bristol Hercules VI
Type: 14-Cylinder two-row, sleeve-valve radials
Number: Four Horsepower: 1,650 hp

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dimensions: Lancaster Mk. I
Wing span: 102 ft. (31.1m)
Length: 69 ft. 4 in. (21.1m)
Height: 19 ft. 7 in. (5.97m)
Wing Surface Area: N/A
Weights: Lancaster Mk. I
Empty: 36,900 lb. (16,705 kg)
Loaded: 68,000 lb. (30,800 kg)
Overload with 22,000 lb. Bomb:
70,000 lb. (31,750 kg)

Performance: Lancaster Mk. I
Maximum Speed at 11,500 ft. (3500m):
287 mph (462 km/h)
Cruising Speed: 210 mph (338 km/h)
Climb to 20,000 ft. (6095m) at max. load:
41 Minutes
Service Ceiling: 24,500 ft. (7467m)
Range with 14,000 lb. (6350 kg.) bomb load:
1,660 miles (2675 km)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Armament:
Nose and dorsal turrets (sometimes also ventral) with two .303 in. Brownings (some including Mk. VII, had Martin dorsal turret with two .50 in. Brownings), tail turret with four .303 in. Brownings.

Payload:
14,000 lb. (6350 kg.) in 33 ft. (10.06m) bomb bay.
With modification can accept 22,000 lb. (9979 kg.)

 

[syscom3]

What would the payload of a Lanc be if it flew a mission to a target 1300 miles away (2600 mile RT)?

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Well you have a 1660 mile range with a 14000 pound bomb load

I would guesstimate a 2600 mile mission might get you 10000 pounds?!?

I have a Lanc pilots manual on CD - I'll see if there any range charts...

 

[Nonskimmer]

You have a Lanc pilot's manual? Cool. 8)

 

[Gnomey]

You have a Lanc pilot's manual? Cool. 8)

Very! 8) Lanc will be jealous!

 

[Nonskimmer]

Hell, even I'm a little jealous.
I'm no pilot, but still.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Yea, but I just discovered the CD only has half of it downloaded, all the performance information is missing

 

[FLYBOYJ]

I have several pilots manual (Pilot's notes) on this CD I bought on e bay several years ago.

A-26
Fighters
I-13 PDF
I-13 Word
ME 109
Spitfire F XII

A-10
Luftwaffe
/ Original
IL 2
MiG 21
Spitfire IIA e IIB

AN 2
Japanese Aircraft
Photos
JU 87 B2
/ 2 / 3 / 4
MiG 29
Spitfire IX / XI / XVI

B-17 (Images) / Original
Gelicopter / Original
LA 5
Mosquito FB 6
TU - 2

Spitfire VA - VB - VC
Spitfire XIV / XIX
SU-27
SU - 29
Tempest II


Beaufighter
Guglia / Word Files (in russian)
LA 5 - FN
Mustang
Typhoon 1A - 1B

BF 109
BF 109 (english)
Horten Ho-229
(photos)
LA 7 - ISP
P-38
Wellington III / X / XI / XII / XIII / XIV

Curtiss P40
Warhawk
Hunter MK 74A
Lancaster
P-39 Q1
Yak 18

F-40 U Corsair
Original
Hurricane
LG 3
Seafire 45 / 46
Other Manuals

Tempest V 2
/ 3 / 4 / 5
Buffalo
Photo Galery

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

why would i be jealous, i have an entire copy in print in my room

and for a 2,600mile round trip you're looking at 7,000lbs............

The Lancaster could go up to 70,000 pounds

if we're going to be picky it's 72,000lbs overload weight for the Mk.I specail.........

 

[FLYBOYJ]

why would i be jealous, i have an entire copy in print in my room

Why am I not surprised!

and for a 2,600mile round trip you're looking at 7,000lbs............

The Lancaster could go up to 70,000 pounds

if we're going to be picky it's 72,000lbs overload weight for the Mk.I specail.........

I'm missing from page 46 on - is that data on P48?