Best Bomber of ww2

[plan_D]

No, that's what National Insurance goes towards - LG. See, we pay National Insurance on our income. That's why people who don't work are dirty scabs because those who do work pay for their health care. So, again, the Fuel tax funds goes to those nice Iraqis...

 

[Yeomanz]

No way should any version of the He-111 be considered in this conversation.

And don't forget that tax pounds that go towards socialized health care.

oh i'm terably sorry sir , when you think about it , a b-17G could only carry about 8000 Kg's , it had for engines and was made later in the war , so ,their

 

[evangilder]

Umm, the first flight of the He-111 was in February of 1935, the B-17 (Boeing model 299) first flew on July 28, 1935. They are almost identical in age. The He-111 is a medium bomber, the B-17 a heavy. 8,000 kg is a pretty big payload for that timeframe. The bombload on the 111 was about 2,000 kg and the bomb-bay configuration was such that the biggest bomb that could be put in there was 250kg in a tail down position! (Vertical bomb racks).

 

[Yeomanz]

Yes but im sure the H-6 carried 2 SC2000 , which is about 4000kg , i was just saying that a 1941 B-17 probably the D , could,t/didn't carry 4000kg's

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

and it wasn't uncommon for B-17s to fly to berlin with a 2,000kg payload...........

 

[Yeomanz]

later versions yes of course ........

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

sory, meant to say 2,000lbs, rediculously little...............

 

[Yeomanz]

so you were agreeing with me then ...right ?

 

[evangilder]

Partly a question of weight to range. The longer to go, more fuel, hence more weight for fuel, less for bombs. A 1941 B-17 had not even seen combat yet to be able to be really battle tested. B-17's didn't even get to England until the Summer of 1942. The standard bombload on a B-17D was 4,800 lbs (Typical). While the H6 version of the He-111 could carry a couple of torpedoes and quite a bit of weight, the range with that much range would be significantly reduced.

 

[Lightning Guy]

The He-111 couldn't even begin to compare with the B-17 in any sort of payload/range competition. Nor could it match the B-17 in altitude or bombing accuracy. And let's not even get started in defensive capabilities.

 

[wmaxt]

sory, meant to say 2,000lbs, rediculously little...............

Sorry it was 4,000lbs min for the long range missions, still not much for a heavy bomber with 10 men but that was the way of it.

 

[Yeomanz]

The He-111 couldn't even begin to compare with the B-17 in any sort of payload/range competition. Nor could it match the B-17 in altitude or bombing accuracy. And let's not even get started in defensive capabilities.

sure the b-17 was definately a fortress , but sticking 12 gunners in a plane doesnt make it untouchable (i know the B-17 didnt have twelve gunners btw )

 

[Adolf Galland]

but even if it had no gunner at all its at least 3 times harder 2 shoot down then a he111 w/ gunner

 

[Gemhorse]

Maybe the He-111 should get a little prize for being in active service for so long, the Ju-88 for being the best all-rounder of the Luftwaffe bombers, but all this was one of Hitler's biggest mistakes really, in that he obstructed their aircraft industry so much, they never really finalised and produced a seriously heavy-bomber, and they did have a coupla doozies in the pipeline too......

 

[Lightning Guy]

The He-111 did serve for a very long time and that is to be commended, but then, what else did the Luftwaffe really have?

 

[plan_D]

An elastic band and a pencil. By 1943 the Germans didn't really have much use for a heavy bomber though, except maybe to bomb Russia.

 

[Yeomanz]

Maybe the He-111 should get a little prize for being in active service for so long, the Ju-88 for being the best all-rounder of the Luftwaffe bombers, but all this was one of Hitler's biggest mistakes really, in that he obstructed their aircraft industry so much, they never really finalised and produced a seriously heavy-bomber, and they did have a coupla doozies in the pipeline too......

He-177 was a poor excuse for a H' Bomber ,
a 4 engined He-111 with a bigger fuselage might have been good for a H' Bomber , but the He-111 Z wasnt a good idea in my oppion , i'd be shocked if a fighter missed one of them it was that wide

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

the Z wasn't intended for use as a bomber, just a glider tug for the 321............

 

[Yeomanz]

, you learn something new every day .

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

well that's as far as i know anyway............