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I've seen those numbers, both sets, I tried to use the "normaly accepted numbers" for a comparison of relative efficency of the two aircraft in normal operation. Both the 55gal and the 62gal outer wing tanks are cited so I used both.
 
I thought it might be of interest to everyone to read the Clay Tice story. Tice was the first person to land in Japan. He did so in a P-38L. He states in his report that they were carrying over 700 gallons in a single 310 gallon ferry tank on the left pylon as well as leading edge slipper tanks in addition to internal fuel. On the right pylon was a single 1000lb GP bomb!

http://www.aerofiles.com/tice.html
 

Great story I haven't seen it before. Thanks.

The 700+ gallons, I'm sure, is full internal fuel 424gal + 1ea 300/310 in the drop tank and 1 large (up to 2,000lb bomb). This is a standard load out for a long range strike mission. With this loadout the P-38 was more than capable of this range.

The wing tanks he refered to are the wing leading edge tanks (internal) 62gal sometimes refered to as "Tokio Tanks".
 
evangilder said:
The Tumansky engines in the Foxbat were notoriously unreliable.

Just a very quick aside about the Foxbat and the incident when a Soviet pilot defected to Japan - bringing with him a Mig-25......

Lt. Viktor Belenko's defection to the West gave the United States the opportunity to closely examine the Mig-25. The aircraft was completely dismantled and then carefully inspected by aviation scientists and engineers from both Japan and the United States. Upon dismantling the Mig-25, the data was analyzed by the Foreign Technology Division of the Air Force at Dayton, Ohio.

"My God! Look what this thing is made of! Why, the dumb bastards don't have transistors; they're still using vacuum tubes! These engines are monsters! Maybe the Sovs have a separate refinery for each plane! Jesus! See these rivet heads sticking out, and look at that welding! They did it by hand! Hell, the pilot can't see a thing unless it's practically in front of him! This contraption isn't an airplane; it's a rocket! Hey, see what they've done here! How clever! They were able to use aluminum! Why didn't we ever think of that? How ingenious! It's brilliant!"---

MiG Pilot : The Final Escape of Lieutenant Belenko

On November 12, 1976, sixty-seven days after the defection of Belenko and his Mig-25 to the West, the United States and Japan returned the Mig-25 to Russia...in dismantled pieces!
 

There's one Soviet plane an early Yak jet that was smuggled out of Romania or Hungary or one of the satelite countries in that region. Anyway, it was smuggled out assembled (it started out crated) tested, dismanteled to the last rivet rebuilt and sent back. Nobody knew about the incident until the freedom of information act released the paperwork.
 


I actually mean the first generation, but if that's the one you drove, then...
 

I got to drive the 2003 Viper, Z06 Corvette, and Porche 911 summer before last. All were less than 6 months old at that time. On the street (La Jolla CA, a suburb of San Diego), the Vette seemed the fastest by a hair, but the Porche felt smoother.

Note: The Vette has since been returned under the lemon law for a #8 cylinder noise problem GM refused to fix.

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I don't believe I have seen any source that has published the 93 gallon figure for the main tanks on the P-38. Interestingly, however, close examination of cockpit photos list 'Main 93 Gallons' as one of the options on the tank selector switch.
 
Guys-- two squadrons of Whirlwinds were used in 1942-43 on offensive fighter sweeps over Europe. The Peregrine engines were not used on any other production type, so they were dropped. The pilots called for reinstating production to replace losses, but they were ignored. One of Britain's major goofs. Would have been a world-beater with Merlins! But it was a "real" WW2 fighter.
 
I think it would have been a better ground attack aircraft than a fighter.

 
The Whirlwind had a number of detail problems in its design. For example, there was no way to transfer fuel to either engine. Fuel load and ammo load were both relatively low. There was no provision for carrying external fuel. And the idea of a Merlin powered Whirlwind is not as simple as it sounds. The Merlin was much larger than the Peregrine and the Whirlwind would have required considerable increases in structural strength to hold the engines and increases in control surface area to handle to increased power. It would have made more sense for the RAF to expirement with Merlins in a P-322.
 
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