CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
An antitank craft who wasnt.
Me-110C-6 with ventral Mk-101.
The same without fairing.
Me-110C-6 with ventral Mk-101.
The same without fairing.
Best Tank Killer of WW2 continued
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Tony Williams
Airman 1st Class
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
I if wonder in that date was available the H-Panzegranate , according to my sources that was first introduced in the Hs-129B1 in late 1942.
akdhc2pilot
Recruit
- 5
- Jan 20, 2007
The "best tank killer" was perhaps the little unarmed L-4 Cub that controlled the guns of an artillery battalion, and if needed could call in all the guns of a division. They claimed a large number of tanks and other vehicles and can arguably be credited with saving our a**es at Anzio. For lack of data I won't claim that they killed more tanks than the ground attack birds such as the IL-2, but they may have. Artillery spotting Cubs turned back a lot of attacks all through the campaigns in Italy, France, Belgium, and Germany. The lowly little Cub actually weilded more high-explosive firepower than a whole squadron of bomb-laden B-25's...and more accuratey too. Read "Janey, A Little Plane in a Big War". It's an excellent book and very entertaining as well as informative. "The Cub That Roared" is also a good one. Referring to L-4's and L-5's, Patton said that his "secret weapon" was the Cub-type plane.
Tony Williams
Airman 1st Class
Tony Williams
Airman 1st Class
I don't think that indirect artillery fire was any more effective than bombing - in both cases, there was a rather random distribution of munitions in the area occupied by the tanks, and unless the tanks were packed really close together, the vast majority would have missed.
I believe that by far the most effective tank killer was direct-fire high-velocity guns, whether mounted in tanks, tank destroyers or on wheels.
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Gimmeacannon!
Airman
- 24
- Nov 23, 2006
i'd take either a tiffy or Mk.IID hurricane...............
Mmmm.....and i wonder how the Mosquito would have faired if development had been continued with the 57mm Mollins gun,
Mmmm.....and i wonder how the Mosquito would have faired if development had been continued with the 57mm Mollins gun,
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Not well, too susceptible to groundfire...
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
- 19,937
- Dec 20, 2003
because she's a twin? no more susceptible than the Hs-129 and she could absorb more than her fare share of damage, i'm certainly not arguing she'd have been the best of the war i just don't believe she can be eliminated so easily on those grounds...........
Tony Williams
Airman 1st Class
The Tsetse (Mossie with 57mm Molins gun) was designed as a tankbuster, with extra armour to protect against ground fire. Even so, it would have made a bigger target than the Hs 129, and a more vulnerable one (liquid-cooled engines).
The RAF changed its priorities and handed the three dozen Tsetse made over to Coastal Command. I think that the reason was that they believed that dedicated, single-purpose anti-tank planes weren't the way to go: like the USAAF, they preferred to use fighter bombers which could use rockets against tanks and guns against anything else, and could take on enemy fighters on even terms. Unfortunately, this rather ignored that fact that the rockets were many times less accurate than guns.
In training, Typhoons managed a 5% hit-rate against tank-sized targets with RPs, compared with 25% for the Hurri IID and 33% for the Tsetse. In combat, the Typhoon+RP score dropped to 0.5%. I'm not sure what the Hurri IID managed, but the fall-off in hit rate would have been far less - judging by the records of a few engagements, they managed to hit just about everything they attacked.
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
The Mossie was also made of wood Lanc, and the dual engines never entered my mind...
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
Thanks for your answer.
by the way I think that the very low rate of fire in the mossie 57mm and the tilted gun would made hit a medium tank extremely difficult.
Tony Williams
Airman 1st Class
They did test the Tsetse against a tank-sized target. They found that on a typical attack run it could fire four rounds, and that on average one out of three hit the target. So it could, in theory, hit a tank with every pass; allthough in combat it is unlikely that the crews could have done as well as that.
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CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
Four ? it seems very optimist , the gunsight armonization whit this emplacement must be hellish.
By the way, I had posted the information you ask about the Mauser gun in the other forum.
Tony Williams
Airman 1st Class
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
- 19,937
- Dec 20, 2003
what's that got to do with the price of milk? she proved time and time again that she could absorb masses of damage and make it home, the twin engines adding further reliability..........
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Masses of damage??? Comeon dude.... There is no way in Sam Hell that a Mossie could ever take near the amount of punishment that the Hs 129 could take....
And the fact that its made with wood is a very important fact when concerning ground attack missions...
And the fact that its made with wood is a very important fact when concerning ground attack missions...
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
The one in wich I am moderator.8)
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Are u by chance implying that Im an old fu*k??hunter said:
