Best WWII Air-Force

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Feb 18, 2007

Hmm unfortunatly it is not a public poll where you can see who voted for what.

lesofprimus · Feb 18, 2007

Yup....

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Civettone · Feb 18, 2007

Although I love German aircraft and pilots, the Luftwaffe is a no-go what I'm concerned because of bad leadership and vision. That the Luftwaffe did so good was because it was innovative before WW2. After that, bad decisions, dropping training quality and not getting the most out of their aircraft industry, started to push the Luftwaffe back in favour of the RAF and USAAF.

I also have to go for the USAAF because everthing was in tune, the perfect mix, training, doctrines, technical support, leadership, logistics, ...

An honourable mention for the Finnish Air Force though, an example of making the most (and more) out of little.

Kris

syscom3 · Feb 18, 2007

lesofprimus said:
Someones padding the results for the Germans in this Poll... This morning it was 7-1 USA to RAF.... Now look at it...

I'd be happy to pad the results for the USAAF.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Feb 18, 2007

We know you would...

cheddar cheese · Feb 18, 2007

Regia Aeronautica. But you all knew id put that right

comiso90 · Feb 18, 2007

Marcel said:
The USAAF was definitely the most powerful airforce in the world in 1945. But I think they had a lot of outdated and mediocre planes in 1941 when they got involved with the war. They were not very well prepared for it. So if this is only about 1944/45 I would vote the USAAF, but not for the whole length of the war.

Yes Marcel.. The pole was not "Which Air Force , at it's peak, was the best." or "Which was the best at the end of the war." The USAF had few bright spots until mid 43 - 44.

The Germans suffered from poor leadership and not a very well rounded inventory, but they were dangerious from start to destruction.

Marcel · Feb 18, 2007

comiso90 said:
Yes Marcel.. The pole was not "Which Air Force , at it's peak, was the best." or "Which was the best at the end of the war." The USAF had few bright spots until mid 43 - 44.

That's what I figured.

comiso90 said:
The Germans suffered from poor leadership and not a very well rounded inventory, but they were dangerious from start to destruction.

Were they? Maybe I'm misinformed, but I thought the western allies didn't see a lot from the Luftwaffe after Normandy until the battle of the Bulge. And after that there I thought was even less activity.

bigZ · Feb 18, 2007

lesofprimus said:
If the US didnt enter the War in Europe, the Brits would be speaking German and the Eifel Tower would be flying the Swastica...

Sorry but this satatement is just plain wrong. I am aware how indebted this country is(or should be) to the US. But lets not forget if things got any worse than they did the RAF could use strategic depth to counter the Luftwaffe(Same as they did to RAF when it went on the offensive). It would have been to the USA eternal shame if they let the last ray of hope in europe die out. The BOB forever broken the back of the Luftwaffe.

As for the best airforce. Hmm I couldn't vote. Early on without doubt its the Luftwaffe(training, tactics). BOB RAF Luftwaffe evenly matched but leadership/planning goes to the RAF. Africa eventually the RAF. USAF bombing campaign was the most successfull. Pacific USA.

You can't base the desicion on best planes/training(RAF pilots had little or no training in how to shot during the BOB concentrated on formation flying) at the forces best showing. Other factors such as the competentancy of officers at strategic or even tactical level, logistics, what % of planes where combat ready at any one time etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

What am trying to say is it took the combined effort of all the allies to turn the war around. The RAF couldn't have done it on its own, but equally USSR couldnt have been supplied if GB fell or the USAF wouldnt have waged its superb bombing campaign without GB bases.

Talking of training dosn't the expression "One a day in Tampa Bay" refer to the horrendous B29 losses due to poor training?

lesofprimus · Feb 18, 2007

It was a joke, aka A Fish Called Wanda...

comiso90 · Feb 18, 2007

Marcel said:
Were they? Maybe I'm misinformed, but I thought the western allies didn't see a lot from the Luftwaffe after Normandy until the battle of the Bulge. And after that there I thought was even less activity.

Yes, they were largely decimated but pound for pound, in a tactical sense they were still a threat... except for the depletion in experienced pilots

syscom3 · Feb 18, 2007

bigZ said:
.... The BOB forever broken the back of the Luftwaffe.

Incorrect. The Luftwaffe wasnt "broken" untill the fighters went on the offensive throughout Germnay in 1944.

What am trying to say is it took the combined effort of all the allies to turn the war around. The RAF couldn't have done it on its own, but equally USSR couldnt have been supplied if GB fell or the USAF wouldnt have waged its superb bombing campaign without GB bases.

by 1944, when the US aircraft industry hit its speed, the training programs were sending out thousands of pilots that had a good chance to succede, then it can honestly be said the USAAF became the most powerfull air force in the world. Everything from well designed planes, good training and tactics, good leadership and industrial suprememcy.

Talking of training dosn't the expression "One a day in Tampa Bay" refer to the horrendous B29 losses due to poor training?

It was the B26 that had issues. And once the pilots were shown how to fly on single engines, the loss rate went way down. In fact, the B26 turned out to have one of the most solidly constructed airframes of the war, giving its aircrews the lowest loss rate of any type.

comiso90 · Feb 18, 2007

syscom3 said:
It was the B26 that had issues. And once the pilots were shown how to fly on single engines, the loss rate went way down. In fact, the B26 turned out to have one of the most solidly constructed airframes of the war, giving its aircrews the lowest loss rate of any type.

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DerAdlerIstGelandet · Feb 18, 2007

Everyone it really is stupid to say that one country "won" the war. It was an allied effort. All of them played there role and part and together they defeated Germany and Japan.

It is safe to say though that the US production capacity is what sped up the end of the war. Without the war most certainly would have dragged on longer.

FLYBOYJ · Feb 18, 2007

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Everyone it really is stupid to say that one country "won" the war. It was an allied effort. All of them played there role and part and together they defeated Germany and Japan.

It is safe to say though that the US production capacity is what sped up the end of the war. Without the war most certainly would have dragged on longer.

Yep!

Nonskimmer · Feb 18, 2007

Desert Fox said:
Good point, but I believe that the RAF was the best, considering they beat back the German onslaught during the Battle of Britain, outnumbered enormously

Too true, but then you'd have to include members of the RCAF, RAAF, and RNZAF, along with Free French and Polish Air Force survivors in the mix as well. Particularly the Poles. They were downright vicious.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Feb 18, 2007

Dont forget about the Czech pilots who flew in the RAF.

Nonskimmer · Feb 18, 2007

Good point. You beat me to my edit.
The Norwegians too for that matter.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Feb 18, 2007

And the Dutch and Belgium pilots as well.

Nonskimmer · Feb 18, 2007

And if you wanted to get really technical, a few Americans as well.

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