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A good debate is one thing, but you guys act like a bunch of children!
There are several Bf-109F's that are in the United States, however none are on display at museums.
Bf-109F-4 Wr 8461
Bf-109F-4 Wr 10144
Bf-109F-4 Wr 10212
Bf-109F-4 Wr 10256
Bf-109F-4 Wr 10276
8461, 10144, and 10256 are being restored to flying condition.
These countries as well also have 109F.
Canada - 1 Bf-109F-1
1 Bf-109F-4/Z on display at the Canadian National Air Museum
France - 1 Bf-109F-1 being restored to flying condition
Finnland - 2 Bf-109F-4's both at the Finnish Airforce Museum
Belgium - 1 Bf-109F-4 being restored to be placed on display at a Museum.
England - 2 Bf-109F-4
Russia - 1 Bf-109F-4/Z being restored to flying condition
Germany - 1 Bf-109F-4 being restored to flying condition.
DerAdler,
I had no idea that there were that many F's being restored to flyable.
I hope that we learn something from them when they do fly.
thanx
From the second half of 1943 to the very end of the war the performance of the Spitfires is as noticeable as head lice taking a sunbath on the back of a tick in your garden (as you might watch them from the roof of your home).
Agree!I'd say the problem was that while Spitfire development certainly went head-to-head with 109 development, the Spit deployment was always one phase behind 109 deployment.
So, that while the Emil and MkI, Gustav and MkIX, Kurfürst and MkXIV were certainly contemporaries, the actual planes facing each other in the everyday air battles were more likely a Hurricane vs. an Emil, a Gustav vs. a MkV, and late Gustav/Kurfürst vs. a Mk IX because of the slowish production rate of the new Spitfire models.
I'd say the problem was that while Spitfire development certainly went head-to-head with 109 development, the Spit deployment was always one phase behind 109 deployment.
So, that while the Emil and MkI, Gustav and MkIX, Kurfürst and MkXIV were certainly contemporaries, the actual planes facing each other in the everyday air battles were more likely a Hurricane vs. an Emil, a Gustav vs. a MkV, and late Gustav/Kurfürst vs. a Mk IX because of the slowish production rate of the new Spitfire models.
Despite the mauling the Mk Vs recieved over Europe, the tropicalised versions over Malta had a superior kill-loss ratio over the 109F4s and 109G-2s (trops or not, I don't know) they faced in 1942, all while operating significantly outnumbered.
So, it appears that SITUATION is at least as important as airframe performance in determining how well/poorly a fighter performed.