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Pal, you better start behaving yourself and backing up your BS with some factual references or your life span around here is going to be VERY short. So far your gibberish is on the same scale as the last dump I took so this is your time to turn your attitude around and either participate accordingly or enjoy a quick trip into cyberspace. I hope I am abundantly clear!!!!!You are clearly wrong about that opinion! You should have said a resounding YES! When you fight modern war, the civilian population that powers the war machine is a valid target. The answer to carpet bombing civilians is that they are not really civilians, they are accessories before the fact in legal terms. If they had stopped Hitler before he started the war, they would not be targets afterwards!
Civilization faces the same question today! Islam is the source of the vast majority of all suffering and premature death in the world today! ( And for the last 1400 years!) If we really wanted to reduce the total suffering and premature death in the world we should threaten and then NUC Mecca if they choose not to clean up their own mess!
From what I know Mosquitos cruised at 240
There were different cruise settings, but most Mosquitos could cruise at over 300mph.
A shot down fighter is nothing but a smoking hole in the ground, there is no front or rear. If the pilot survives, or he gets off a message before impact, they might know what brought him down.The Germans kept track of how their planes were shot down. They assumed that bullet holes in the front came from a bomber's deffencive guns and those with holes from the back were downed by fighters. The bomber gunners "Claimed" they shot down over 28,000 Nazi planes, But German records show that it was closer to 10-11,000, IIRC! The vast majority, 2/3rds, by B-17s!
Account of fuelled-up USAAF Mustangs not being able to keep up with a fuelled-up USAAF Mossie is here:
German Jet Encounters
-Going after U-boat pens is exactly what the 8th AF did during its initial phase of operations over Nazi-occupied Europe without much impact to the German U-boat campaign in the Battle of the Atlantic and causing the AAF escalating losses.
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Dont bomb by day.
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Oh, and don't apply moralistic judgement to the decisions of commanders who were working under conditiions of pressure and uncertainty we cannot dream of.
I was kind of wondering that, too, as, from perhaps the broadest of strategic perspectives, what those missions accomplished for us was, they kept the Germans, and, in particular, the Luftwaffe, tied up, literally, day and night. This was no Quinn-Martin Production. That is to say, those missions came at a very great sacrifice. But, think if they weren't there. Britain, I'd think, would have been pounded a lot harder. In other words, there was a defensive component incorporated in that strategy, as well, which contemplated that around-the-clock bombing.Could you please explain why there would not be the day bombing?
Yes this is true, but also irrealivant! Just because the Nazis chose to send half to a dozen single engined fighters to look for Mossies with little support, what do you think would happen if there were no heavies to chase? RIGHT!
From what I have seen, he uses the red font on many forums. Most of those forums he is not very well liked. Shooter2000...
Chris - on the two forums I have seen him bounced from the Admins were overly tolerant. I predict a short life cycle here...
I think it was Parsifal who wrote of the economic feasibility of the bombing campaign, i.e., it was cost effective.
Overall, the Germans expended much more treasure in the Defense of the Reich than the Allies expended on their end.
It's extremely hard to believe and goes against pretty much all the established facts..
I agree that choke points are overrated, but I dont agree at all that the WWII strategic bombing campaign did not profoundly affect Axis production. Even if you wish to discount the the effects of the bombing itself (which I dont...i think it affected german production capabilities greatly in itself), the Germans were spending well over 50% of their military budgets on air defence and civil defence by 1944, and had sucked out well over 2 million personnel either directly or indirectly in their attempts to counter the Allied bombers. For the RAF, this effect came at a cost of 12% of their military budget. Thats an excellent investment.
Then we have to factor in the effects of the bombing itself. There is a sharp wide difference of opinion on that score, but the USSBS and the post war British equivalent (the name escapes me, but I have read it), both estimate German production was affected/downgraded by up to 50% by the middle of 1944. There was no magic bullet, although targetting the oil industry comes close, and the allied effort came at a steep cost. it was an even steeper cost (and markedly so) for the Germans in their efforts at defence.
Even the Germans (the ones not attempting to rewrite history that is) acknowledge the strategically important effects of the bombing campaigns