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The US Navy carriers never faced all 6 Japanese carriers at one time. Midway was not won by 30 SBD's, the Japanese fleet had already fought off multiple attacks from Midway itself, I'd have to look it up but seems like around 50 bombers from Midway, then 3 full squadrons of carrier based torpedo planes without a single scratch other than a couple of Zeros shot down by rear gunners and a few more shot down by Thachs Wildcats before Enterprise and Yorktown SBD's finally arrived on scene and caught the Zeros out of position. Even then, Hiryu managed to cripple Yorktown with a mere handful of aircraft. Do you really think that your going to get close enough to 6 Japanese carriers to launch an attack with Swordfish and Skuas with no escort and have success? The Royal Navy let an undamaged carrier get sunk by 2 heavy cruisers, this is not the guys that are going to take on the 6 Japanese fleet carriers of Pearl Harbor and win. They are outnumbered by aircraft almost 2-1, not to mention the better quality of the Japanese aircraft and the better training of the Japanese carriers and flight personnel.
27 Vals split up and hit both ships weakening AA fire, damage radar etc, Kates split up say 18 go after Bismarck and 9 after Prinz Eugene. I'd say no more than 3 hits would dispose of Prinz Eugene, not sure how many for BismarckWhen and where did a single IJN carrier sink a battleship? The IJN aerial torpedo had the same warhead as the RN aerial torpedo. Vals carried 550Lb bombs How could they have possibly sunk Bismarck and Prinz Eugen in a single strike?
I think we need a "fantasy" forum for posts like yours, above.
For that matter, all 27 Vals hit Bismarck, split up torpedo planes between them. With radar and many secondary guns out of action it would be simple to let escorting Japanese destroyers finish off Bismarck with Long Lance torpedoes in a night action, again the Japanese destroyer captains being the best trained at torpedo attacks and having the best surface ship torpedoes in the world at the timeWhen and where did a single IJN carrier sink a battleship? The IJN aerial torpedo had the same warhead as the RN aerial torpedo. Vals carried 550Lb bombs How could they have possibly sunk Bismarck and Prinz Eugen in a single strike?
I think we need a "fantasy" forum for posts like yours, above.
27 Vals split up and hit both ships weakening AA fire, damage radar etc, Kates split up say 18 go after Bismarck and 9 after Prinz Eugene. I'd say no more than 3 hits would dispose of Prinz Eugene, not sure how many for Bismarck
Ok, we fly 2 whole missions from our single Japanese carrier. All 27 Vals and 27 Kates attack Bismarck on first attack. Everyone that returns rearms and all of the 2nd wave, let's say 20 Vals and 20 Kates, attacks Prinz Eugene. Does that work for you?Right 3 hits from 9 aircraft..., and I suppose 6 from eighteen...Anyways using those hit rates Victorious would have sunk Bismarck, if she would have embarked a full complement of aircraft.
For that matter, all 27 Vals hit Bismarck, split up torpedo planes between them. With radar and many secondary guns out of action it would be simple to let escorting Japanese destroyers finish off Bismarck with Long Lance torpedoes in a night action, again the Japanese destroyer captains being the best trained at torpedo attacks and having the best surface ship torpedoes in the world at the time
Says the guy that wants to face off against the Japanese navy with Swordfish and Skuas. The US had radar as well at Guadalcanal, those Long Lance torpedos were an amazing equalizer.The FAA used ASV radar to find Bismarck during both strikes.
RN torpedoes were highly efficient and the RN was just as well trained in night fighting as the IJN and the RN had radar to boot.
Again, you're posting stuff that should be in a fantasy forum.
Ok, we fly 2 whole missions from our single Japanese carrier. All 27 Vals and 27 Kates attack Bismarck on first attack. Everyone that returns rearms and all of the 2nd wave, let's say 20 Vals and 20 Kates, attacks Prinz Eugene. Does that work for you?
RN torpedoes may have been highly efficient, but what are you going to deliver them with in late 1941-42 during a daylight raid against a 6 carrier Japanese fleet? They sure didn't do well during the Channel Dash. How many Swordfish did Ark Royal deploy during Bismarck chase? Why didn't she sink Bismarck? She had Skuas as well, why weren't they used as five bombers?The FAA used ASV radar to find Bismarck during both strikes.
RN torpedoes were highly efficient and the RN was just as well trained in night fighting as the IJN and the RN had radar to boot.
Again, you're posting stuff that should be in a fantasy forum.
Says the guy that wants to face off against the Japanese navy with Swordfish and Skuas. The US had radar as well at Guadalcanal, those Long Lance torpedos were an amazing equalizer.
RN torpedoes may have been highly efficient, but what are you going to deliver them with in late 1941-42 during a daylight raid against a 6 carrier Japanese fleet? They sure didn't do well during the Channel Dash. How many Swordfish did Ark Royal deploy during Bismarck chase? Why didn't she sink Bismarck? She had Skuas as well, why weren't they used as five bombers?
For what it's worth, I don't believe a large US carrier would have done very well against Bismarck. Our torpedoes didn't work and all they could do is pummel the upper decks of Bismarck with dive bombers. I'm not sure if we carried anything heavier than a 500 pounder at that time.
IIRC, the IJN level bombers scored one bomb hit on Repulse and one on PoW.
The British couldn't even stop the Germans from sailing a force up the English Channel (channel dash) .
Brother, you're killing me with Eugene, lol. Who the heck is Eugene? Anyway, this has nothing to do with Malaya.27 Vals split up and hit both ships weakening AA fire, damage radar etc, Kates split up say 18 go after Bismarck and 9 after Prinz Eugene. I'd say no more than 3 hits would dispose of Prinz Eugene, not sure how many for Bismarck
The Swordfish dmonstrates how the RN was optimized for rough North Atlantic ops, operating in rough seas against small groups of opponents lacking in air cover.Ark Royal had Swordfish and Fulmars in May 1941. The seas were so rough that only the Swordfish could fly and only with reduced deck ranges. No other navy could have operated aircraft under those conditions, and even if they did they still couldn't find their target, because only the RN had ASV radar.
Eugene instead of Eugen was an autocorrect phone issue. We got off on the Bismarck tangent because I said the Bismarck chase was a major battle for the Royal Navy and the Japanese could have sunk the Bismarck in a single raid with 27 Vals and 27 Kates from a single carrier.Brother, you're killing me with Eugene, lol. Who the heck is Eugene? Anyway, this has nothing to do with Malaya.
It's not what the final outcome was, it's how it happened. A ship randomly running into a minefield might have the same effect as a torpedo in putting the ship out of action but I don't believe the Japanese would have needed such luck. I personally think they would have sent out Vals and Kates escorted by Zeroes and sunk them outright. They sunk Prince of Wales and Repulse on the high seas in a very impressive series of attacks. They were, in my opinion, the best in the world at that time.None of which did any serious damage.
Ah yes, the Channel Dash.
Otherwise known as the death ride of the Kriegsmarine.
The heavy cover of Me109s protected them through the channel
Then the Scharnhorst hit a British mine - minor damage
Gneisnau hit another mine - this time serious damage
Sharnhorst then hit YET ANOTHER mine - severe damage.
Sharnhorst spent all of 1942 & most of 1943 repairing damage and working up again - only to be sunk at North Cape
Her sister never sailed again....
While the damage to Gneisnau wasn't as serious, a follow up raid by the RAF in April blew off about 90' of her bow, she was never repaired.
I stand corrected twice. My mistake. In my defense, what do you call a ship that large with guns that small? Battle cruiser? Pocket battleship? Battleship? Under gunned? Not well endowed? Like Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner putting a label on it can get confusing.....Hmmm, Pocket battleships didn't have "B" turret.
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Says the guy that wants to face off against the Japanese navy with Swordfish and Skuas. The US had radar as well at Guadalcanal, those Long Lance torpedos were an amazing equalizer.