Crash spitfire in France
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rank amateur
Airman 1st Class
Can't really tell what happened there...
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
Ah Spit !
That's the BBMF's recently re-painted PR19. Looks like a prop strike on a hump in the ground just wound it round and over.
I hope the pilot is OK.
EDIT : My mistake, just found out that it's French registered.
That's the BBMF's recently re-painted PR19. Looks like a prop strike on a hump in the ground just wound it round and over.
I hope the pilot is OK.
EDIT : My mistake, just found out that it's French registered.
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Old Wizard
2nd Lieutenant
Crimea_River
Marshal
Damn.....
Totalize
Tech Sergeant
Sickening to watch
Really sad to see Hopefully the pilots OK.
Hopefully the pilots OK.
fubar57
General
All I've seen is that the injured pilot was pulled to safety
Vintage Spitfire plane flips on takeoff at airshow in France
Vintage Spitfire plane flips on takeoff at airshow in France
Damn...time will heal
buffnut453
Captain
Yep...with a little duck tape and some buffing.
Robert Porter
Senior Master Sergeant
And the last flyable SeaFury crashed a little while ago. I just really do not understand why people continue to fly vintage aircraft especially when they are so rare. I could understand it if there were a few dozen of a type still flyable, but when they drop into the single digits of survivors I honestly think the better part of valor is to retire them from flight. Accidents do happen. Just google "warbird accidents 2016" and you will be amazed. Some of those are gone forever, because someone could not resist flying it and now its crashed and burned and lost forever. Selfish if you ask me.
buffnut453
Captain
Sure you're info's correct, Robert? I think there are several Sea Furies still airworthy, including a number in the air racing scene.
I have no problem with old aircraft being flown but I don't need to see them doing low-level aerobatics - that's just too risky for my liking. Personally, I'd prefer a nicely banked pass along the crowd line to show off the aircraft and let us hear the noise it makes. Then again I'm easily pleased...
I have no problem with old aircraft being flown but I don't need to see them doing low-level aerobatics - that's just too risky for my liking. Personally, I'd prefer a nicely banked pass along the crowd line to show off the aircraft and let us hear the noise it makes. Then again I'm easily pleased...
Robert Porter
Senior Master Sergeant
I was mistaken it was a Sea Vixen, the last airworthy example. There was a Sea Fury crash but it was not the last flyable example.
Fly Navy Heritage Trust Sea Vixen belly-lands in Yeovilton
And it was not a result of aerobatics, a simple hydraulic failure. Which is my point, when we get down to low numbers of survivors it is to me irresponsible to continue to fly them and risk their loss. This one at the very least will be able to serve as a static display, and possibly even return to flight.
I know that the owners have the right to do what they will with them. My own personal opinion is that to continue to operate these aircraft when so few remain is both irresponsible and selfish. But that is my opinion, I don't own one. A very small failure can lead to total loss and when you are talking about even rebuilt 70 year old plus equipment the chances go way up. Easy way to prove that theory, I used to work for an insurance company, we wrote policies for many privately held war birds and they were very expensive simply because from an actuarial stand point their rarity and the likelihood of loss if they were being operated is substantially higher than that of an already expensive to insure civil or commercial aircraft.
I know a number of war birds that are replica's but modern, and to most folks impossible to tell the difference. If folks want to fly one then build a replica. At least that is my way of thinking.
Fly Navy Heritage Trust Sea Vixen belly-lands in Yeovilton
And it was not a result of aerobatics, a simple hydraulic failure. Which is my point, when we get down to low numbers of survivors it is to me irresponsible to continue to fly them and risk their loss. This one at the very least will be able to serve as a static display, and possibly even return to flight.
I know that the owners have the right to do what they will with them. My own personal opinion is that to continue to operate these aircraft when so few remain is both irresponsible and selfish. But that is my opinion, I don't own one. A very small failure can lead to total loss and when you are talking about even rebuilt 70 year old plus equipment the chances go way up. Easy way to prove that theory, I used to work for an insurance company, we wrote policies for many privately held war birds and they were very expensive simply because from an actuarial stand point their rarity and the likelihood of loss if they were being operated is substantially higher than that of an already expensive to insure civil or commercial aircraft.
I know a number of war birds that are replica's but modern, and to most folks impossible to tell the difference. If folks want to fly one then build a replica. At least that is my way of thinking.
The Basket
Senior Master Sergeant
- 3,712
- Jun 27, 2007
Pardon my ignorance
But how is the Spitfire going to be recovered?
Hopefully they no gonna chop up for firewood.
Obviously it's not gonna fly out but I would assume it's as dissembled so its wings are off and then lifted by crane and trucked out?
But how is the Spitfire going to be recovered?
Hopefully they no gonna chop up for firewood.
Obviously it's not gonna fly out but I would assume it's as dissembled so its wings are off and then lifted by crane and trucked out?
It's likely they'll lift it to get it the right way up and move it off the runway first. then, remove the wings and place them in a fixture for moving, likewise with the fuselage. This is all after investigators have given the O.K. to move the aircraft.
Crimea_River
Marshal
Robert, this aircraft may not be "lost forever". Though the wing spar has clearly been broken, given enough money, the owner could get a new wing built and get it in the air again.
Spitfires are certainly not one-offs. In fact there are more being added to the world's flyable population every year and there are maybe thirty now. Some notable examples have been completely rebuilt after having been already "lost forever". The flying examples are additional to the dozens of excellent static examples that are preserved in museums for posterity. Personally I think that, in the case of the Spitfire, the practice of flying them is sound given the healthy population of static examples.
Spitfires are certainly not one-offs. In fact there are more being added to the world's flyable population every year and there are maybe thirty now. Some notable examples have been completely rebuilt after having been already "lost forever". The flying examples are additional to the dozens of excellent static examples that are preserved in museums for posterity. Personally I think that, in the case of the Spitfire, the practice of flying them is sound given the healthy population of static examples.
bummer...
It is a Spitfire XIX PS890, originally a PR Spitfire which served until 1952 with the Royal Thai Air Force. Its convoluted history includes a spell with Planes of Fame (registered in the US as N219AM). You will find images of the aircraft from this time with clipped wings, painted in what someone imagined to be PRU blue and with contra rotating propellers. I believe the engine fitted at this time came from a Shackleton.
It was subsequently bought in the mid 2000s by Christophe Jacquard who still owns the aircraft as far as I know (registered in France as F-AZJS).
Being a relatively rare and valuable aircraft, but above all being a Spitfire, means that someone somewhere will find the money to return it to the air.
Cheers
Steve
