(difficult) Me-262 Red 6 Lt. Jorg Czypionka

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  1. akonti

    akonti New Member

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    Hi guys again.

    I'm looking for only ONE image if exists....for the:

    'Kommando Welter' 10./NJG-11 Red 6 flew by Lt. Jorg Czypionka. the Wr. Num is unknown....

    No artworks, please. Iknow its rather difficult any stuff (images) for my request.

    I would appreciate it.

    Alex.
     
  2. Erich

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    just so you know through interviews with him for our book on Kommando Welter he flew more than red 6 though most of the staffels pilots flew others jets at times. sorry will say yes or no as it is all for the big book in the future
     
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    Hi Erich,

    The only reason I'm looking for a real picture of the particular Red 6, is to get an idea about the routes on mottling for its camo. I'm planing to build a model for this. Only for that reason.

    So If you can help me, I would be grateful to u.

    Thanks,
    Alex
     
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    Hi,

    Erich, was the Me262 "Red6" flown by Fw Karl-Heinz Becher as well? If yes, the werk nummer of she should be 110306.Is that correct or it is a different aircraft?
     
  5. Erich

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    Becker flew a different A/c

    the red 6 was actually quite dark that Georg flew, Jörg is his US namesake
     
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    Searching through the net I could find only Red 8, Red 12 and the ever-present Red 10.
     

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    Njaco nearly all the sorties flown by the kommando were by single seaters
     
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    Aha, thanks, Erich. Why does everyone list these as being with 10./NJG 11? Were these just trainers and not used on Ops?
     
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    there were some 6 two seaters equipped with FuG 218 Neptun radar in the unit, only red 12 flew and scored a victory over a Mossie ............

    note I am being very evasive .......... on purpose 8)
     
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    understood.
    :)

    But for the original question, could they represent the camo scheme for what he is looking for?
     
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    note the diversity of the camo just between these three machines, the single seaters were painted in no specific order. we have it from Georg that his was painted overall very dark, but since we are going to cover his Bf 109G-6/AS from III./Jg 300 and his single seat hot rod jet in our book I will refrain from saying more. R. Bailey did a print of one of his mossie downings but it is pretty silly looking in our estimation, we actually found that the pilot of the Mossie bailed out successfully while the R/O was killed, several years ago we got both the victor and victim together for a small reunion and to relive the tragedy of the night..........it will be in the book
     
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    Thanks Erich. Didn't want to go into the expected volume. Thanks for what you could!
     
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    Hi Guys thank you for your interest.
    Actually the only pictures I found, concern two artworks of Red 6 I'm looking for, Signed by Lt. Jorg Czypionka (Me262) - Lt.Hans H. Busch ( Me262)

    But as far as I can see, the upper camo is not the same for both of them

    The first one is Mottled with 82/81 on 76 the second one is Mottled with 82 / on 76 Which one is correct???

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Thats why I need only one original photo... I can get out the proper camo!
     
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    I know this is an old thread, but I just came across it. If anyone is still interested, this aircraft was destroyed by B-17s on an Easter Sunday raid. There are no pictures of it because Jorg lost everything he had in that raid. The only thing he had left after that raid was the uniform he had on.

    Jorg was sent up to investigate something in the sky (that turned out to be a barrage balloon that had gotten loose), when the B-17s turned towards his airfield. The ground crew towed all the other 262s into the woods, and when Jorg landed, they broke the nose wheel in haste. So Jorg's plane was the only 262 left out in the open and all the B-17s aimed right for it.

    Jorg is a friend of mine and I'm going by memory of what he told me years ago, so I apologize if my memory is fading.
     
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    first of all the chaps name is not Jorg but Georg we also know him too and are taking his first person accounts for our book he did come away with an interesting tidbit or two taken from the B-17 raid which we have seen and his 262 was not the only one left out as we have aerial fotos of the raid afterward and at least 4-5 262's are out in the open as wrecks ..........

    the Kommando will be covered as I said extensively in our work
     
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    how soon until its completed E??
     
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    How long is a rope?
     
  19. Erich

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    not long enough CR

    at least 5 years out Bobbys we have so much stuff we can and already have written two volumes but needs due to cost effectiveness be reduced down to 1. am working on 2 other titles anyway amidst Familie probs, life is fun !
     
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    Thought you all might enjoy a picture of Jorg and Kurt Schulze. The first picture was taken today at Jorg's house for his 90th birthday party. His birthday was actually 2 days ago, but Kurt couldn't make it then. The 2nd picture was taken on his actual birthday (yes, he had 2 parties). Enjoy.
    David
    Jorg  Kurt.jpg Jorg  Serena Cutting Cake.jpg
     
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