Do You Have an Illogical Hatred of an Aircraft?

[drgondog]

Hmmm...

On my side it is the P-47... And I think no one can beat me on the illogism of my reason: just because I had a very hard time flying it in flight sims. Let's say it marked my memory... in a bad way ! You see, I told you it was illogic !

It is a rather good looking plane which did a great job in the ETO, but flying it in a flight sim is as hard as flying an anvil.

Maestro - do ya suppose the game developers didn't like the 47?

By all acccounts it was an easy airplane to fly and very honest - with superb performance above 25K. The real record and performance capability of the Jug was far above the 'gamer' version.

In the case of IL-2 one would think they plugged P-40 performance with Spad firepower into the Mustang and P-47

 

[Soundbreaker Welch?]

In the case of IL-2 one would think they plugged P-40 performance with Spad firepower into the Mustang and P-47

They certainly are not over modded. It can be tough to make them have a good day.

 

[Maestro]

Maestro - do ya suppose the game developers didn't like the 47?

By all acccounts it was an easy airplane to fly and very honest - with superb performance above 25K. The real record and performance capability of the Jug was far above the 'gamer' version.

I know... But the fact that (in Microsoft's Combat Flight Simulator 1 3, at least) P-47s were turning like pigs and always stalling when I was trying to gain altitude, didn't helps...

But I perfectly know from historic accounts that the P-47 was a good plane.

 

[Auravir]

I never really liked the La-5, 7, and 9. To me they just look like elongated I-16s.

Take this painting for example:

I know it's just a painting, but it does look startlingly like an I-16 from that angle.

 

[carbonlifeform]

I don't have any illogical hatred for any particular warbird. The ones I do hate, I hate for a reason lol.
The Zero and the Kate but more for their symbolism than anything else.

Now, I understand why some of you have an illogical "hatred" for the P-51 and the B-17 to a lesser extent.
The B-17 didn't carry the largest payload in the Allied arsenal. And despite the vaunted claims, before it was put into service, that they could take care of themselves quite well unescorted, those claims turned out to be rather fallacious to say the least. The loss rates over Germany before the P-51 showed up will attest to that.
And certainly it was the wide variety of aircraft available to the Allied forces that was the major contribution towards victory, not just two types.
The P-51 certainly didn't bring any real revolutionary technology into the battle. It was just a well designed airframe mated to a superb power plant.
But it was the advent of the P-51 that allowed the Allies to fight the war over Germany in earnest, with a lot more bombers returning home because of it. The ability to act as a long range escort is what made the P-51 able to take, and keep ahold of, the spotlight.
But let's face it, in the ETO the P-47 and Hawker Typhoon (among several others)were just as instrumental to the victory. Blasting through the Wermacht and attacking smaller, but no less important ground targets to help pave the way for the ground forces.

I've had the opportunity to fly a Mustang btw, albeit not anywhere near fighting trim and I can see why so many people love it. She's a very nimble and responsive aircraft with lots of power. A real treat to fly, especially with the luxury of NOT having someone trying to shoot me down.
Even the look of it when it's flying or viewing it head on, on the ground. It doesn't necessarily look intimidating, but it does look like it's not going to take any of your bullchit.

 

[Clay_Allison]

I have some hatred for the B-17, I recognize that it was a good airframe, but I hate the self-defending-bomber concept and the damage it did to our air crews.

 

[Negative Creep]

Just never liked the looks. It's as if they took a Spitfire but got the dimensions all wrong

 

[Hudson MkIII]

On looks alone it would have to be the F4F and the P47 for me, but I don't hate them. I generally prefer fighters with inline engines but I do have a soft spot for radial engined biplanes.

 

[Butters]

I don't like the Helldiver. Not only is the Beast a disaster from an aesthetic viewpoint- an ungainly squat pig with a cartoonish tail, but the thing was unpopular with its crews, and required literally thousands of expensive modifications before it became even somewhat tactically efficient. Pretty low on the 'bang for the buck' scale...

The Fairey Barracuda is also a hideous abortion to look at. And when it comes to German aircraft, I've always thought that the - wait for it- Ta 152H was an ugly,gangly funhouse caricature of the gorgeous FW 190-D. It looks like some medieval torturers had decided to draw and quarter the lovely Dora. You know, tie horses to the nose, tail, and wing tips and start lashing them with whips. Not to mention how tiresome it gets hearing its devotees going on and on about how it would have creamed everything in the skies. Sheesh...

I'll go hide now

JL

 

[drgondog]

I don't like the Helldiver. Not only is the Beast a disaster from an aesthetic viewpoint- an ungainly squat pig with a cartoonish tail, but the thing was unpopular with its crews, and required literally thousands of expensive modifications before it became even somewhat tactically efficient. Pretty low on the 'bang for the buck' scale...

The Fairey Barracuda is also a hideous abortion to look at. And when it comes to German aircraft, I've always thought that the - wait for it- Ta 152H was an ugly,gangly funhouse caricature of the gorgeous FW 190-D. It looks like some medieval torturers had decided to draw and quarter the lovely Dora. You know, tie horses to the nose, tail, and wing tips and start lashing them with whips. Not to mention how tiresome it gets hearing its devotees going on and on about how it would have creamed everything in the skies. Sheesh...

I'll go hide now

JL

LMAO

 

[RabidAlien]

I wouldn't call it an "illogical hatred", but I've never really been as enamored of the B17 and P51, mainly due to the overabundance of media hype surrounding these planes. I have nothing against the crews that flew these, nor am I ever going to disparage their contributions to the war effort....I just think that, due to the media, a very large number of equally-deserving planes and crews have gone unrecognized.

 

[Junkers88A1]

spitfire.. as many of you guys says..sick of hearing how pretty it is and so on..and after actually working on it i really started "hating" that plane.. its the most stupid design ever when it comes to actually working on it.. nothing really fits.. everything is in the way of eachother so one cant work on one part unless removing this and that..and to remove this and that one again has to remove another this and that..and so on..
and the english system.. attach one part with 6 different size bolts.. instead of using same size bolts ( like german and american ) and since its all handmade ( as i said earlier here ) nothing really fits.. hate that aircraft and refuse to work more on it.. lst thing i mounted was the oxygenbottles behind the pilotseat ( mark XI ) and first the seat had to be removed..and so on... stupid design ( now i will upset quite a few but its just my opinion and experience ) hehe

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Interesting, maybe that has something to do with the turn around times. Have you checked out this thread:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/battle-britain-turn-around-time-19850-2.html

 

[Civettone]

Waynos, this is just a wonderful thread! Really great question!

Personally, I can't think of one. I used to have several of them when I was younger but nowadays I try to keep things rational and in perspective. If I still hate an aircraft, I have a logic for it
I have to think if there is still one ...

Kris

 

[Velius]

i dont like B-24´s....don´t know why....maybe its the Airframe.

Me neither. To me it looks like a box with wings- but it had a large payload so I guess it was for a reason...

The Beaufighter looks like some mutant insect experiment gone horribly wrong from some deranged evil scientist. Beauty and the Beast.

I don't like how the very tips of the spinners (or prop hubs) are farther forward than the forward most part of the fuselage. For a twin engined aircraft, this just isn't a good look.

 

[Matt308]

I don't like how the very tips of the spinners (or prop hubs) are farther forward than the forward most part of the fuselage. For a twin engined aircraft, this just isn't a good look.

Blaspheme!!

 

[DAVIDICUS]

That is a beautiful ship.

 

[Velius]

Blaspheme!!

Me-410 right? Just doesn't look right to me.

As far as looks goes give me a 110 anyday!

 

[gumbyk]

everything is in the way of eachother so one cant work on one part unless removing this and that..and to remove this and that one again has to remove another this and that..and so on..
and the english system.. attach one part with 6 different size bolts.. instead of using same size bolts ( like german and american ) and since its all handmade ( as i said earlier here ) nothing really fits.. hate that aircraft and refuse to work more on it.. lst thing i mounted was the oxygenbottles behind the pilotseat ( mark XI ) and first the seat had to be removed..and so on... stupid design ( now i will upset quite a few but its just my opinion and experience ) hehe

Junkers,
I wouldn't call that an illogical hatred, sounds more like preserving your sanity if you ask me...

 

[Venganza]

There are none I really hate. Hey, I even like the Zubr (look under the Worst Aircraft thread)! That being said, I've never particularly liked the Hurricane. It seems to have been overproduced, overused, and overrated. I realize it shot down more German planes during the Battle of Britain than the Spitfire, but that was in 1940. I would not have wanted to tangle with many other modern fighters in a Hurricane after that date. Even during 1942, when the Soviets were desperate for planes, they didn't like flying the Hurricane and relegated them to PVO (area interceptor) duties as soon as they could replace them with better front line fighters like the La-5, the Yak's, the P-40, the P-39, etc. Some Soviet pilots even preferred the I-16 (hey, what's wrong with the Ishak's squatty looks, anyway?). With its 1920's technology fuselage and thick wings, it just didn't have any stretch. Say what you want to about the Spitfire and Bf-109, but they were first-generation modern monoplane fighters that were developed and remained competitive all the way to the end of the piston-engined fighter era (think Bf-109K and Spitfire F.24). The Hurricane had pretty much reached its potential by the Battle of Britain.

Venganza