**** DONE: GB-52 1:72 Savoia-Marchetti SM79 - Heavy Hitters IV

[Ralph Haus]

Username: Ralph Haus
First name: Ralph
Category: Intermediate
Manufacturer: Airfix
Model: Savoia-Marchetti SM79 - Kit A04007V
Scale: 1:72
Other: Yugoslavian decals, if I can find some?

This kit just drew my eye, it certainly is unique and fits within the 'rules' of the Heavy Hitters build. The kit, although released as a torpedo version, will be done as a bomber version, a role it had in the Yugoslavian service; an SM79K.

The original Royal Yugoslav Air Force operated from 1918 to 1941. At the beginning of WWII the RYAF had over 460 aircraft and 2000 pilots. The RYAF ceased to exist following the Axis invasion, April 6th, 1941 - April 18th, 1941. Many of their aircraft were destroyed or captured. The serviceable captured craft were distributed to other Axis nations including the newly formed Croatian air force. But many were also flown to other countries, such as Russian, where they were put into service.

My intention is to finish with the Yugo markings, however if too difficult to find those markings I may shift to the Russian version or possibly the Croatian. From what I have found so far, camo wise, the pattern and the colors are much the same. If I understand correctly, the Russian just replaced the national markings, leaving the paint schemes alone?

The kit.The box is (released), a 2020 version; but there has only been one 'new parts' release, 1967. Plenty of new boxes. The image of the sprus, as shaken out of one bag, is an indication of the age. I had not separated any of the parts, this is how they 'shook out'. Very heavy flash, and a bent prop.

My initial research turned up this camo scheme, associated with the RYAF.

A color version of the above. The Yugo emblems are identifiable on the under wings.

Another Yugo version. The camo scheme is similar to the Russian version that I have found.

Russian service 79K

An interesting detail on the camo schemes, at least on the Italian side. There seems to have been a wide variation of patterns and colors that were used, and specific to aircraft. I'm not sure how that translates to units shipped to other countries? Italy issued a new standard (1941-1943), Tavola-10, for colors and markings. I'm not sure what Yugo 1941 units were under these standards? Only important in the the paint colors changed and I will need to decide what 'vintage' 1941 I will be finishing. Although, speculation, most of the Yugo 79K units were produced pre-1941?

 

[SaparotRob]

That was informative. I didn't know the SM-79 was used in Russian service.

 

[Ralph Haus]

That was informative. I didn't know the SM-79 was used in Russian service.

It's not clear, at least from the limited articles that I have read, if the 79K was used in combat by the Russians. The link, below, is one resource for the Yugo pilots role with Russia. This is the source of the above photo. This article indicated Russia using the 79K as a transport.

Yugoslav Air Force Combat Aircraft: 1941 to 1952

Royal Yugoslav Air Force The original Royal Yugoslav Air Force operated from 1918 to 1941 and at the start of World War Two was equipped with a large number of modern combat aircraft from numerous …

acesflyinghigh.wordpress.com

 

[Ralph Haus]

That was informative. I didn't know the SM-79 was used in Russian service.

Another Russian SN-79 connection. Although Romanian based. This article indicates that the SM-79 was, for a short period, used in combat by the Russians.

Source:
Italian Aircraft in Russia
Viktor P. Kulikov

 

[T Bolt]

Ralph, I have both this and the italera kits in my stash. Bought the Airfix kit first, had a look in the box and ordered the Italera kit.
I think you've got your work cut out for you

 

[Wurger]

That was informative. I didn't know the SM-79 was used in Russian service.

There were four SM.79s captured and used by the VVS. One was servicing in the 69th IAP. Two were used by the 5th BAP and the fourth one by the 299th ShAP in 1941. And that's the fourth one seen in the pic above.

Regarding the camo scheme seen in the B&W diagram above ... actually it is the camo scheme introduced for the Regia Aeronautica in 1937 and IMHO it shouldn't be associated with the RYAF. All pics of the Yougoslavian SM.79s I have seen so far, indicate a couple of different schemes also used by the RA. But none of the Yougoslavian SM.79 was wearing the camo layout seen in the diagram. That lets me believe the scheme wasn't used for the RYAF or there was a small number of them painted in that way.

 

[Ralph Haus]

There were four SM.79s captured and used by the VVS. One was servicing in the 69th IAP. Two were used by the 5th BAP and the fourth one by the 299th ShAP in 1941. And that's the fourth one seen in the pic above.

Regarding the camo scheme seen in the B&W diagram above ... actually it is the camo scheme introduced for the Regia Aeronautica in 1937 and IMHO it shouldn't be associated with the RYAF. All pics of the Yougoslavian SM.79s I have seen so far, indicate a couple of different schemes also used by the RA.

I really want to avoid having to do the camo as shown on the box art! The two shown below are preferred. The right one most preferred! But it does look like the B/W image? So confusing. Trying to separate the actual colors and patters with what just might be an artists interpretation. It 'appears' that the, below right image, looks similar to the Russian photo?

 

[Wurger]

And the addition to the RYAF camo schem for the SM.79 ...

the source: the net.

 

[Ralph Haus]

Ralph, I have both this and the italera kits in my stash. Bought the Airfix kit first, had a look in the box and ordered the Italera kit.
I think you've got your work cut out for you

Yep! a challenge alright. But as you can see, putting it together and making it look right may be the least of my issues. Selecting the 'correct' colors and schemes seems to be a bigger challenge now. Although I believe I have the clors covered, ordered one of each that were ever used on the SM-79 regardless of specification dates.

 

[Wurger]

I really want to avoid having to do the camo as shown on the box art! The two shown below are preferred. The right one most preferred! But it does look like the B/W image? So confusing. Trying to separate the actual colors and patters with what just might be an artists interpretation. It 'appears' that the, below right image, looks similar to the Russian photo?

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Ralph,

Judging but all the pic found via the net the camo was the three-colour scheme that consited of the Sand on tops and the Green and the Brown small spots over that Sand. the undersides got the grey colour.

 

[fubar57]

Your profile of white "23" is also found in this book

 

[Ralph Haus]

And the addition to the RYAF camo schem for the SM.79 ...

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the source: the net.

The 'splotchy' scheme is probably more forgiving. If I have read the specifications correctly, the patterns were quite varied, not specific in patterns. Just the colors used were specific and with a 'general' camo application guidance? I may be missing something here, but this is what I have found. My confusion continues though. I don't recognize the 'spotchy' pattern that's on the suggested image above. Maybe an interpretation of C10B (see below).

Source: Regia Aeronautica and ANR Color
and Camouflage Schemes
Vince Tassone


CMPR Camouflage Schemes : 1936-1943

How to Read Table 4: Next to each camouflage chip is a list of the corresponding colors. The first color corresponds to the base color followed by the first mottle color, the second mottle color and finally the underside color, e.g., C1 Scheme:

Giallo Mimetico 1-2-3-4	Base Color
Verde Mimetico 2-3-53192	Mottle Color 1
Marrone Mimetico 2-3-53193 or Bruno Mimetico	Mottle Color 2
Grigio Mimetico	Undersurface Color

 

[Wurger]

Your profile of white "23" is also found in this book

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In the book is also stated that:

"Shortly before the outbreak of war, several aircraft were experimentally overpainted on the upper surfaces in a two tone camouflage of dark green (approximately FS 24079) and chocolate brown (FS 20118). The colors applied were domestically made and also used on license-built Blenheims and Do 17Kas. Existing photographic evidence proves that 'White 23' of 213.E acquired such a scheme, while 'Black 14' of 262.E was thus coloured over the fuselage only and not on top of its wings."

 

[Wurger]

The 'splotchy' scheme is probably more forgiving. If I have read the specifications correctly, the patterns were quite varied, not specific in patterns. Just the colors used were specific and with a 'general' camo application guidance? I may be missing something here, but this is what I have found. My confusion continues though. I don't recognize the 'spotchy' pattern that's on the suggested image above. Maybe an interpretation of C10B (see below).

Source: Regia Aeronautica and ANR Color
and Camouflage Schemes
Vince Tassone


CMPR Camouflage Schemes : 1936-1943

How to Read Table 4: Next to each camouflage chip is a list of the corresponding colors. The first color corresponds to the base color followed by the first mottle color, the second mottle color and finally the underside color, e.g., C1 Scheme:

Giallo Mimetico 1-2-3-4	Base Color
Verde Mimetico 2-3-53192	Mottle Color 1
Marrone Mimetico 2-3-53193 or Bruno Mimetico	Mottle Color 2
Grigio Mimetico	Undersurface Color

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A PM sent.

 

[Ralph Haus]

In the book is also stated that:

"Shortly before the outbreak of war, several aircraft were experimentally overpainted on the upper surfaces in a two tone camouflage of dark green (approximately FS 24079) and chocolate brown (FS 20118). The colors applied were domestically made and also used on license-built Blenheims and Do 17Kas. Existing photographic evidence proves that 'White 23' of 213.E acquired such a scheme, while 'Black 14' of 262.E was thus coloured over the fuselage only and not on top of its wings."

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Close looking at the Black 14 shows the 'mottling' on the engine cowlings, and I suppose, as you indicated, the wings as well. Now that may be a fun camo project? A hybrid to be certain!

I will use the FS numbers as referenced in the Tassone publication. These are the colors that I have gotten to accomplish most Italian WWII builds.

Verde Olivia Scuro 2, Dark Olive Green. The Vallejo match attempt 71.292

Verde Mimetico 53192, Camo Green 51392. The Vallejo match attempt 71.126

Giallo Mimetico, Camo Yellow 3. The Vallejo match attempt 71.107

Grigio Azzurro Chiaro 1, Light Blue Grey. The Vallejo match attempt 71.103

Grigio Mimetico, Camo Grey. The Vallejo match attempt 71.339

Marrone Mimetico 53193, Camo Brown. The Vallejo match attempt 71.125

Nocciola Chiaro 4, Light Hazel 4. The Vallejo match attempt 71.079

 

[Wurger]

 

[Crimea_River]

Interesting choice. imalko might have some info on this.

 

[imalko]

Joining the discussion a little late...
First of all, nice choice of subject Ralph. I'll try to give a short answer to your questions.

All SM.79's delivered to Yugoslavia were painted in "mottled" three-tone Italian camouflage already discussed. In the attachment bellow you'll find scanned pages from Boris Ciglić's book covering the camouflage of Yugoslav SM.79s in some detail. Shortly before the war few aircraft were experimentally painted in upper surfaces in two tone camouflage of dark green and brown. The colors were domestically made and also used on license-build Blenheims and Do 17Ks. Two aircraft that were painted this way are known with certainty - "Black 14" of 81st Air Group (81. VG, VG=Vazduhoplovna Grupa) and "White 23" of 67.VG. "Black 14" was thus painted on the fuselage only, keeping the mottled camouflage on the wings and engines. "White 23" was completely overpainted with the new camouflage on all upper surfaces.

Both of these aircraft had interesting fates. "Black 14" was flown by it's crew to the Middle East fallowing the collaps of Yugoslav Kingdom and ended up serving in RAF. "White 23" was captured by the Germans and received first provisional and then full German markings and a code CQ+HQ. For a short time it was used by Luftflotte 4 and then handed to the "Zrakoplovstvo NDH" (Air Force of Independent State of Croatia). It was lost in anti partisan action near Kupreš in 1942.

The last profile shows one of the Yugoslav Savoias flown to Soviet Union after the defeat. The aircraft received crude patches of black color (evidently hand brushed) and red star insignia on tail and wings.

Source of all scanned materials and information: "Savioia Marchetti SM.79 - The Yugoslav Story Operational Record 1939-1947" by Boris Ciglić

 

[fubar57]

Good stuff Igor. I've saved the Luftwaffe one for laters

 

[Ralph Haus]

Joining the discussion a little late...
First of all, nice choice of subject Ralph. I'll try to give a short answer to your questions.

All SM.79's delivered to Yugoslavia were painted in "mottled" three-tone Italian camouflage already discussed. In the attachment bellow you'll find scanned pages from Boris Ciglić's book covering the camouflage of Yugoslav SM.79s in some detail. Shortly before the war few aircraft were experimentally painted in upper surfaces in two tone camouflage of dark green and brown. The colors were domestically made and also used on license-build Blenheims and Do 17Ks. Two aircraft that were painted this way are know with certainty - "Black 14" of 81st Air Group (81. VG, VG=Vazduhoplovna Grupa) and "White 23" of 67.VG. "Black 14" was thus painted on the fuselage only, keeping the mottled camouflage on the wings and engines. "White 23" was completely overpainted with the new camouflage on all upper surfaces.

Both of these aircraft had interesting fates. "Black 14" was flown by it's crew to the Middle East fallowing the collaps of Yugoslav Kingdom and ended up serving in RAF. "White 23" was captured by the Germans and received first provisional and then full German markings and a code CQ+HQ. For a short time it was used by Luftflotte 4 and then handed to the "Zrakoplovstvo NDH" (Air Force of Independent State of Croatia). It was lost in anti partisan action near Kupreš in 1942.

The last profile shows one of the Yugoslav Savoias flown to Soviet Union after the defeat. The aircraft received crude patches of black color (evidently hand brushed) and red star insignia on tail and wings.

Source of all scanned materials and information: "Savioia Marchetti SM.79 - The Yugoslav Story Operational Record 1939-1947" by Boris Ciglić

Wow!! Just proves the depth of knowledge found on this forum site. Very much appreciated, the untangling of the camo schemes.

While trying to avoid the Italian 'mottled' scheme over all, just doing the Yugo White 23 scheme seems like, well, cheating. I will then 'attempt' to recreate Black 14 as it was in the Yugo service. I need the challenge of the mottling. At least it will be on a flat (wings) surface and easier to control. Let the fun begin...

Would the tops of the tailplanes have kept the mottled patters as well?