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That was informative. I didn't know the SM-79 was used in Russian service.
Another Russian SN-79 connection. Although Romanian based. This article indicates that the SM-79 was, for a short period, used in combat by the Russians.That was informative. I didn't know the SM-79 was used in Russian service.
That was informative. I didn't know the SM-79 was used in Russian service.
There were four SM.79s captured and used by the VVS. One was servicing in the 69th IAP. Two were used by the 5th BAP and the fourth one by the 299th ShAP in 1941. And that's the fourth one seen in the pic above.
Regarding the camo scheme seen in the B&W diagram above ... actually it is the camo scheme introduced for the Regia Aeronautica in 1937 and IMHO it shouldn't be associated with the RYAF. All pics of the Yougoslavian SM.79s I have seen so far, indicate a couple of different schemes also used by the RA.
Ralph, I have both this and the italera kits in my stash. Bought the Airfix kit first, had a look in the box and ordered the Italera kit.
I think you've got your work cut out for you
I really want to avoid having to do the camo as shown on the box art! The two shown below are preferred. The right one most preferred! But it does look like the B/W image? So confusing. Trying to separate the actual colors and patters with what just might be an artists interpretation. It 'appears' that the, below right image, looks similar to the Russian photo?
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And the addition to the RYAF camo schem for the SM.79 ...
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the source: the net.
Giallo Mimetico 1-2-3-4 | Base Color |
Verde Mimetico 2-3-53192 | Mottle Color 1 |
Marrone Mimetico 2-3-53193 or Bruno Mimetico | Mottle Color 2 |
Grigio Mimetico | Undersurface Color |
The 'splotchy' scheme is probably more forgiving. If I have read the specifications correctly, the patterns were quite varied, not specific in patterns. Just the colors used were specific and with a 'general' camo application guidance? I may be missing something here, but this is what I have found. My confusion continues though. I don't recognize the 'spotchy' pattern that's on the suggested image above. Maybe an interpretation of C10B (see below).
Source: Regia Aeronautica and ANR Color
and Camouflage Schemes
Vince Tassone
CMPR Camouflage Schemes : 1936-1943
How to Read Table 4: Next to each camouflage chip is a list of the corresponding colors. The first color corresponds to the base color followed by the first mottle color, the second mottle color and finally the underside color, e.g., C1 Scheme:
Giallo Mimetico 1-2-3-4 Base Color Verde Mimetico 2-3-53192 Mottle Color 1 Marrone Mimetico 2-3-53193 or Bruno Mimetico Mottle Color 2 Grigio Mimetico Undersurface Color
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In the book is also stated that:
"Shortly before the outbreak of war, several aircraft were experimentally overpainted on the upper surfaces in a two tone camouflage of dark green (approximately FS 24079) and chocolate brown (FS 20118). The colors applied were domestically made and also used on license-built Blenheims and Do 17Kas. Existing photographic evidence proves that 'White 23' of 213.E acquired such a scheme, while 'Black 14' of 262.E was thus coloured over the fuselage only and not on top of its wings."
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Joining the discussion a little late...
First of all, nice choice of subject Ralph. I'll try to give a short answer to your questions.
All SM.79's delivered to Yugoslavia were painted in "mottled" three-tone Italian camouflage already discussed. In the attachment bellow you'll find scanned pages from Boris Ciglić's book covering the camouflage of Yugoslav SM.79s in some detail. Shortly before the war few aircraft were experimentally painted in upper surfaces in two tone camouflage of dark green and brown. The colors were domestically made and also used on license-build Blenheims and Do 17Ks. Two aircraft that were painted this way are know with certainty - "Black 14" of 81st Air Group (81. VG, VG=Vazduhoplovna Grupa) and "White 23" of 67.VG. "Black 14" was thus painted on the fuselage only, keeping the mottled camouflage on the wings and engines. "White 23" was completely overpainted with the new camouflage on all upper surfaces.
Both of these aircraft had interesting fates. "Black 14" was flown by it's crew to the Middle East fallowing the collaps of Yugoslav Kingdom and ended up serving in RAF. "White 23" was captured by the Germans and received first provisional and then full German markings and a code CQ+HQ. For a short time it was used by Luftflotte 4 and then handed to the "Zrakoplovstvo NDH" (Air Force of Independent State of Croatia). It was lost in anti partisan action near Kupreš in 1942.
The last profile shows one of the Yugoslav Savoias flown to Soviet Union after the defeat. The aircraft received crude patches of black color (evidently hand brushed) and red star insignia on tail and wings.
Source of all scanned materials and information: "Savioia Marchetti SM.79 - The Yugoslav Story Operational Record 1939-1947" by Boris Ciglić