Ok, ok i may have exaggerated that one a bit
Everything WE know is wrong.
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Crimea_River
Marshal
It would have been if it weren't so fragile, right Karl?
oldcolt357
Airman
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The one myth mentioned about the P51 pilots shooting down a lot of enemy aircraft because it arrived late in the war when the German pilots were not well trained- isn't that one true?
Not in my opinion correct, though training of LW pilots did get worse as the war went on, no plane won the air war on its own, but the P-51 has cause to claim to be the best at what it did and what it did was what was wanted.
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SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
It might have been me.
yosimitesam
Airman 1st Class
Consider this min-narrative:
Director: "The gun fire in this sequence sounds like popcorn. Put some 'umph in the sound. Slow it down, make it louder and bang-y-er."
Producer (while also talking to his girlfriend on the phone): "I agree. The sound is crap.... What, honey?"
Continuity/Script Editor: "But the Spitfires did not have 20mm at that time, only .303 machine guns. It would be historically inaccurate."
Director: "Hell, nobody will know the difference. Just fix the damn sound in that sequence. Make it go 'bang', 'bang', 'bang', but really loud and thunderous."
Producer: "Yea, fix it. ... Did you make our reservations, sweetie?"
"Whatever." - Sound effects guy.
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SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Okay, I don't know if I should admit this.
Years ago in High School my buddy loved the F-4 Phantom. I loved the P-51 at the time (don't tell any B-17's). I said that the Mustang could take the Phantom. He actually got angry with me. Well, as self-admittedly wrong as I was, I could not let this opportunity pass. I just kept at it, he would get angrier. This went on for a while. The piece de resistance was my issue of "Mustang Comics". There were even (incorrectly marked) Mustang II's with P-51A's and D's shooting Phantoms out of the sky. I think I just realized what a troll is.
He's became a Green Beret. I stopped rattling his cage.
Years ago in High School my buddy loved the F-4 Phantom. I loved the P-51 at the time (don't tell any B-17's). I said that the Mustang could take the Phantom. He actually got angry with me. Well, as self-admittedly wrong as I was, I could not let this opportunity pass. I just kept at it, he would get angrier. This went on for a while. The piece de resistance was my issue of "Mustang Comics". There were even (incorrectly marked) Mustang II's with P-51A's and D's shooting Phantoms out of the sky. I think I just realized what a troll is.
He's became a Green Beret. I stopped rattling his cage.
Everything we know is wrong...
Might be true! How about these three tests of our common knowledge:
- Name the famous American who coined the saying, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
- Name the American president who started the program with the goal of putting a man on the moon by 1969.
- True or False: The battle for Midway Island is generally considered the turning point of World War II in the Pacific.
Just 'cause we ALL know something doesn't make it true; check here tomorrow for the real answers to these tests...
Cheers,
Dana
Might be true! How about these three tests of our common knowledge:
- Name the famous American who coined the saying, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
- Name the American president who started the program with the goal of putting a man on the moon by 1969.
- True or False: The battle for Midway Island is generally considered the turning point of World War II in the Pacific.
Just 'cause we ALL know something doesn't make it true; check here tomorrow for the real answers to these tests...
Cheers,
Dana
MIflyer
1st Lieutenant
I think the biggest one is the idea that the German Nazis were "Right Wing" and the Soviet Communists were "Left Wing."
There was barely a dime's worth of difference between the Soviets and Nazis. Both were Socialists. Both believed in totalitarian governments, where even thoughts were controlled. The Soviet definition of "fascist" was essentially, "People who are like us in their approach to government but are not us."
So the Nazis were "Right" of the Soviets in that they believed in allowing private companies, as in Junkers versus Tractor Factory No. 4. But both the Soviets and Nazis were so far Left of the founders of the USA that you'd need the Hubble Space telescope to see them from there.
There was barely a dime's worth of difference between the Soviets and Nazis. Both were Socialists. Both believed in totalitarian governments, where even thoughts were controlled. The Soviet definition of "fascist" was essentially, "People who are like us in their approach to government but are not us."
So the Nazis were "Right" of the Soviets in that they believed in allowing private companies, as in Junkers versus Tractor Factory No. 4. But both the Soviets and Nazis were so far Left of the founders of the USA that you'd need the Hubble Space telescope to see them from there.
MIflyer
1st Lieutenant
Well, you hear that one a lot, but the guy who wrote the book Islands of Destiny argues that it was the Solomans Campaign that was real turning point. As he puts it, even after Midway the IJN was very cabable, as was illustrated that they virtually wiped out the USN's Pacific cruiser force. But when the main events were over in the Solomans the IJN had slunk out with its tail between its legs.
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SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
As to the "true/false" question, do we give the right answer or the correct answer?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The Battle of the Solomons was a protracted campaign involving numerous engagements on land, sea and air. The joint effort by the Allies came at a price, but it cost the Japanese considerably in men, aircraft, ships and territory.
The Battle of Midway was more of a single engagement where the outcome was decided literally in the space of hours.
At the cost of one fleet carrier, the USN both denied Japan's objective of taking Midway Island and claimed four fleet carriers, which Japan could not replace and greatly reduced their ability for force projection.
The Battle of Midway was more of a single engagement where the outcome was decided literally in the space of hours.
At the cost of one fleet carrier, the USN both denied Japan's objective of taking Midway Island and claimed four fleet carriers, which Japan could not replace and greatly reduced their ability for force projection.
Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
Reminds me of an interview with economist Thomas Sowell during the Obama presidency. Sowell was asked whether he thought Obama was a socialist. After mulling the question for a moment he replied, no, he did not think Obama was a socialist, because socialism espouses government ownership of the means of production. He's more a Fascist. Fascism leaves the means of production in private hands, but heavily controls it. Fascism is a much more viable political system because when things go wrong you can always blame big business.
Love that guy.
Obama a fascist...lol
Seriously though, enough of the politics please.
Seriously though, enough of the politics please.
Everything we know is wrong...
So here are the answers I was looking for:
- Name the famous American who coined the saying, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
We all know it was Kennedy, but the original quote was from Benjamin Franklin, and it was well known. See the 1944 Little Rascals/Our Gang comedy Benjamin Franklin Jr where the kids use and reuse the quote in a radio program about patriotism. Early books on Franklin's wit and wisdom include the quote, though it rarely (if at all) turns up in Franklin histories written after 1961.
- Name the American president who started the program with the goal of putting a man on the moon by 1969.
I'm not picking on Kennedy here - he certainly did a great deal to push through the US space program. But it was Eisenhower who created NASA in 1958. One of the original 1958 NASA goals was to place a man on the moon by 1969. The program was well underway when Kennedy took office - watch for the famous shot of the original seven Mercury astronauts standing with the F-106 at Langley. It was dated 20 January 1961, the day of Kennedy's innauguration. (Still, it's odd that none of the space race documentaries we see on US TV even mention Ike.)
- True or False: The battle for Midway Island is generally considered the turning point of World War II in the Pacific.
Clearly false. Regardless of what the actual turning point was, there is no "Midway Island." Midway is an archepelago comprising Eastern Island and Sand Island.
Anyway, everything we know is full of almost truths, and a few outright lies. These are just three of my favorites...
Cheers,
Dana
So here are the answers I was looking for:
- Name the famous American who coined the saying, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
We all know it was Kennedy, but the original quote was from Benjamin Franklin, and it was well known. See the 1944 Little Rascals/Our Gang comedy Benjamin Franklin Jr where the kids use and reuse the quote in a radio program about patriotism. Early books on Franklin's wit and wisdom include the quote, though it rarely (if at all) turns up in Franklin histories written after 1961.
- Name the American president who started the program with the goal of putting a man on the moon by 1969.
I'm not picking on Kennedy here - he certainly did a great deal to push through the US space program. But it was Eisenhower who created NASA in 1958. One of the original 1958 NASA goals was to place a man on the moon by 1969. The program was well underway when Kennedy took office - watch for the famous shot of the original seven Mercury astronauts standing with the F-106 at Langley. It was dated 20 January 1961, the day of Kennedy's innauguration. (Still, it's odd that none of the space race documentaries we see on US TV even mention Ike.)
- True or False: The battle for Midway Island is generally considered the turning point of World War II in the Pacific.
Clearly false. Regardless of what the actual turning point was, there is no "Midway Island." Midway is an archepelago comprising Eastern Island and Sand Island.
Anyway, everything we know is full of almost truths, and a few outright lies. These are just three of my favorites...
Cheers,
Dana
MIflyer
1st Lieutenant
Who said that Japan had awakened a "sleeping giant" with the 7 Dec 41 attack?
It was NOT Adm Yammoto. They made that up for the end of the movie 'Tora, Tora, Tora." In reality, a US newsman said that in his commentary on the evening of 7 Dec 1941. He said that if a giant was sleeping you might be able to get some licks in, but when that giant wakes up .....
It was NOT Adm Yammoto. They made that up for the end of the movie 'Tora, Tora, Tora." In reality, a US newsman said that in his commentary on the evening of 7 Dec 1941. He said that if a giant was sleeping you might be able to get some licks in, but when that giant wakes up .....
I thought it was Eddy Murphy in The Distinguished Gentleman
Maybe using artistic license to paraphrase a quote by Napoleon ""China is a sleeping giant. Let her sleep, for when she wakes she will move the world."
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SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
How about that, everything I know is wrong. I certainly should've remembered Midway atoll of which Sand and Eastern islands are part of. I fell for that one.
