Fire in California

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Rubbish. There was a blue ribbon commission back in 2003 after the disastrous San Diego fire. A BIG part of the recommendations made by a neutral commission were NOT done. The firefighters of Southern California don't have the resources they need to effectively fight fires and we end up leasing the equipment from Canada to get the job done, and even then it is the bare minimum. When the fires began, the C-130s and all air resources that could be spared should have been here to stomp these fires out. EVERYONE knew that a fire starting in the weather conditions we had when it began was big trouble. The conditions were absolutely perfect for a big friggin mess. While bureaucrats sat on their hands and did nothing, hot weather, single digit humidity and the Santa Ana winds turned Southern California into a pool of acrid smoke. Hundreds of homes are now gone, people left homeless with what they can carry and air that is almost unbreathable.

If the resources that were recommended by the blue ribbon commission 4 years ago had been here, there would have been less damage. Firefighters that are in reactive mode for 2-3 days are not an effective force. The should only be in reactive mode for 8-10 hours before going on the offensive. The leadership on this has been terrible, and many people have suffered because of incompetence.
 
another big problem is the far ranging eyes for the fires is antiquidated in a huge way. Like Eric said the main craft that needs to be close at hand is in Canada or up here in Oregon or ......... ? yeah where is when you need them, nowhere close that is a fact. i can talk of this as well. here we are in dry forested canyons in south Oregon, the nearest and get this as we have had the biggest fire in the USA history (so far) ~ where are our water /retardent bombers ?..........at least 100 miles to our east. could this be a political move ? not sure but a fools move as a fact. Cali has had this reaccuring problem every darn year, why don't officials get it ??
 

I've seen a number of stories extolling the success of their disaster relief efforts. Why are the good at it?

poor development means lots of flooding - they've had a lot of practice
no man power shortage
a one party system.... VERY little beuracracy..


Certainly not an argument for communism but an example how a smaller government can act more quickly.


People, politics ease China's disaster evacuation efforts - CNN.com

# Officials: Krosa causes widespread destruction in eastern China, but no deaths
# Red Cross official: One-party system helps keep government in sync
# Chinese officials evacuated 1.4 million people, provided tents, food and water
# Frequency, range of disasters prompt numerous contingency plans in China



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I'm sure there will be lawsuits and screaming over how the government did nothing, just like people screamed about Katrina.

I can only say this. Eric and you other west coast guys..........stay safe.
 
yeah miserable

He has 2 small kids too... I told him the family could live with me if they need too.
 
dang that is what it was literally some 20 years ago here, the surrounding hills all burning, our town was just about evac'd. We lived with that burning embers over us and sprinklers on roofs from first week of August till mid November every stinkin hot day till the rains and winds finally washed the scurge out.....

get the heck outta there...... oh wow cool man my neighbors house is on fire....sadly some folk just don't and will not get it.
 
"Naw it will never happen to me."


I'd be gone too... just to avoid monster traffic jams.

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This is the kind of bureaucracy that is simply ridiculous:
As Calif. fires burned, copters grounded - Yahoo! News
 
I am in Cerritos, CA / Long Beach Area...Same mix of fires/wind/ash.

I work in Irvine so I am dealing with the brunt of it from the South/SE area...Really sucks.
 
Eric this is as much of a joke as we had in the what once was protected Kalmiopsis wilderness/Biscuit fires I have spoken of. Politicians sitting on their thumbs for days whether to send the needed supplies, crews and reinforcements to handle the blaze. Insanity sure crept in and even after the fire pumped up an additional 10,000 acres one night they still told the fire-forest service to monitor for another week...............idiots. !

I do see our local big Erickson Crane Heli's in the air above you. they are huge and look something out of a sci-fi flick, they can move mtns nearly and really load up the huge buckets of water that is desperate in so Cali right now to put an end to this destruction. hope they catch the morn arsons and make a public hanging
 
I am in Cerritos, CA / Long Beach Area...Same mix of fires/wind/ash.

I work in Irvine so I am dealing with the brunt of it from the South/SE area...Really sucks.

I grew up in LB near El Dorado Park.. left when I was 21...

Whats the closest Fire...? Irvine?
 
Here's a kicker. Most of our twin bombers can carry 1200 gals of water, the Canadian DC6s can hold 3000 gals. The Russians have the IL 76 water bomber which can hold 12000 gals and does an amazing job of putting out fires without retardent. Even the Greeks requested them. Problem is the Forest Service does not want to use them for reasons like "it dumps too much water", "needs too long of a runaway(which is bullshit)". They also have the amphib twin jet BE-200 which can fill its tank in 14 secs in up to 4 or 5 ft swells. The political crap is unbelievable.
 
It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that these fires in CA were set by Bush and his minions in order to alleviate the oversupply of housing in this country!
 
ah hmmmmmmm ren have you been smokin some bad Colorado doobie ?

from my bro this morn :

Fire update. Two fires remain in the SD area. One is 20% contained and
the other is 45%. California has lost around 1800 homes to all of this.
Insurance companies must be going crazy.
Air quality is getting alot better. I can actually go for a run tonight
and not go into convulsions.
J K are at school today helping the clean up process with the soot,
ash and debris from the winds. Fun!
 

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