FOUND!!! USS Lexington (CV-2)

[Peter Gunn]

From my readings, it was Shinano that took four torpedoes and flooded, sinking at dawn the next day after a night attack by Archerfish in which the captain set the torpedoes to run shallow hoping to get flooding high in the hull of the ship to capsize her.

Taiho was torpedoed and suffered the same fate as Lady Lex when an inexperienced damage control officer turned on the ventilation system to clear the ship of avgas fumes and blew the ship up.

 

[Bad-Karma]

No. Over 200 personnel went down with the Lexington.

Sometimes in the inferno you have to save the living and let the dead rest. First thing you learn in Shipboard Firefighting in boot camp.
They send 6 of you with a 1 1/2" hose into a forward compartment aboard USS Neversail over a pool of diesel fuel, close the hatch, and touch it off. If one or more of you goes down, the "survivors" evacuate, the fire is quenched by remote control, and instructors retrieve the "victims". Otherwise you use the hose to sweep the fire into a corner and kill it.
I was there not too long after the Oriskany and Forrestal disasters and the Navy was seriously hard core about damage control. Your shipmates are depending on you.
Cheers,
Wes

Thank you both, and thank you Wes for that insight into your training. Sometimes it's hard to remove the hindsight and lessons we have learned when discussing ww2. I can't imagine the difficult decisions and uncertainty they faced.

 

[vikingBerserker]

The Shinano had a very inexperienced crew in damage control, it really spoke well of the ship it stayed afloat as long as it did.

 

[Barrett]

LOTS of discussion amongst navalists, of course. Two friends who worked with Ballard have intriguing comments. Nobody's seen a large USN ship so thoroughly broken up, a real surprise. One theory is implosion because Lex sank with many compartments intact. As for the Fox-5 Wildcat, John Lundstrom's da man, check his First Team Vol. I. F-5 was sometimes flown by Lt Noel Gayler (normally F-13), and the victory markings (plus one bomb) seem to reflect that record.

 

[tomo pauk]

LOTS of discussion amongst navalists, of course.
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Mr. Tillman - what is your take on 'leagalities' with regard to the current ownership of the A/C laying down on the bottom of the sea? How likely is that USN will allow anyone to salvage the A/C without saying 'hold your horses, it is our A/C you have' after the operation is done?
(all while disregarding, for the moment, the technical challenges for the salvage operation itself)

 

[BiffF15]

Mr. Tillman - what is your take on 'leagalities' with regard to the current ownership of the A/C laying down on the bottom of the sea? How likely is that USN will allow anyone to salvage the A/C without saying 'hold your horses, it is our A/C you have' after the operation is done?
(all while disregarding, for the moment, the technical challenges for the salvage operation itself)

From what i've read the USN does not play well with others regards salvaged aircraft.

Cheers
Biff

 

[XBe02Drvr]

From what i've read the USN does not play well with others regards salvaged aircraft.

Cheers
Biff

"We bought it, we paid for it, and it's OURS til hell freezes over! If you want to recover it for us, feel free, but understand it's our property and you are liable for any damage occurring in the process."
Ayup, doesn't sound like good kindergarten ettiquete to me.
Cheers,
Wes

 

[XBe02Drvr]

Thank you both, and thank you Wes for that insight into your training. Sometimes it's hard to remove the hindsight and lessons we have learned when discussing ww2. I can't imagine the difficult decisions and uncertainty they faced.

Let's hear it for high velocity fog, light water, foam, and purple K powder, all firefighting staples of my time in the Nav that had their roots in WWII.
Cheers,
Wes

 

[ArmouredSprue]

This is amazing indeed

 

[BiffF15]

"We bought it, we paid for it, and it's OURS til hell freezes over! If you want to recover it for us, feel free, but understand it's our property and you are liable for any damage occurring in the process."
Ayup, doesn't sound like good kindergarten ettiquete to me.
Cheers,
Wes

Actually the taxpayers laid down the cash...


Cheers,
Biff

 

[buffnut453]

Actually the taxpayers laid down the cash...


Cheers,
Biff

Great. So can I have my quarter rivet as back-pay?

 

[vikingBerserker]

Dibs on 1/4 of rivet # 54,677!!!

 

[buffnut453]

Awww, I wanted that one!!!!

 

[Shortround6]

Let's hear it for high velocity fog, light water, foam, and purple K powder, all firefighting staples of my time in the Nav that had their roots in WWII.
Cheers,
Wes

Many of which were mis-applied for years in land based structural fire fighting
Most timber frame (or even brick) structures being much less air tight than steel ships.

 

[Peter Gunn]

Awww, I wanted that one!!!!

BOYS!!! No bickering! I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

First we'll need to form a committee to study the effects of removing 1/4 rivet # 54,677 and the possible impact it will have on rivets # 54,676 and 54,678 with a sub committee to study the effects on the other 3/4 of rivet 54,677. We'll also have to elect someone to chair a panel to study how rivets 55,668, 55,669 and 66,275 might be impacted along with panel # 7435.

And that's just for starters...

 

[buffnut453]

BOYS!!! No bickering! I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

First we'll need to form a committee to study the effects of removing 1/4 rivet # 54,677 and the possible impact it will have on rivets # 54,676 and 54,678 with a sub committee to study the effects on the other 3/4 of rivet 54,677. We'll also have to elect someone to chair a panel to study how rivets 55,668, 55,669 and 66,275 might be impacted along with panel # 7435.

And that's just for starters...

I've decided I'm against the arbitrary selection of rivets. All rivets should be treated the same. Equal rights for metal fasteners!!!

 

[XBe02Drvr]

I've decided I'm against the arbitrary selection of rivets. All rivets should be treated the same. Equal rights for metal fasteners!!!

Hey don't leave out fabric surfaces, guys! So well preserved after all these years, they deserve equal consideration. End discrimination!

 

[Peter Gunn]

Hey don't leave out fabric surfaces, guys! So well preserved after all these years, they deserve equal consideration. End discrimination!

Wes, now you're talking about a full scale Senate investigation headed by a special counsel appointed by the President as to why fabric surfaces have been excluded from the discussion.

 

[vikingBerserker]

#FabricsLivesMater

 

[XBe02Drvr]

Yes, we seem to have a gender bias regarding the superiority of hard over soft. Equal opportunity for all! Breach the plexiglass ceiling!