German Fighter Nomenclature

[denny]

A few words about consistency in terms and nomenclature. Often, I will be referring to specific details about aircraft and engines from original documentation. I try to always use the same terms and style used in the reference material. This can vary but, I think it is accurate. Sometimes documentation can seem to be slightly incorrect but, if we are effectively quoting from old official source, we should be accurate to source. Of course, real errors or large differences will require explanation in text.
One point about the Bf109, it seems to me with my own experiences that the 109 was and is still referred to in German as the "Me-einhundertneun", or just "einhundertneun". Also, the "Me" sounds to me in UK English as "May". Certainly much easier in normal conversation than to say "Bayerische Flugzeugwerke 109". Of course, in common use, most aircraft have abreviated or slang nicknames. I recall reading a German Ace pilot's book where he says he referred to his aircraft as "crates"!

Cheers

Eng

Funny, your last sentence.
I remember watching "The Longest Day" the 1962 Zanuck movie.

One of the German Generals is arguing on the phone with (I Guess) the ranking Luftwaffe Pilot in Normandy.
He complains to the general that all he has at his disposal is one other pilot and "Two Crates".
I always wondered if that was an overtly Hollywood Mistake.
It would seem not.

 

[BiffF15]

Probably a hand me down from the Great War.

 

[GrauGeist]

Probably a hand me down from the Great War.

Could be, the term has been around for quite a while.

I heard it alot when I was kid, from the guys when they were having conversations and they were all pilots from WWII and Korea, plus my Uncle Bill, who was at the time, flying in Viet Nam.

 

[special ed]

Many of the books I read about WW1 had references to "crates" by the flyers speaking of their aircraft.

 

[Escuadrilla Azul]

Bf 108 ('civilian' machine) preceedes the 109, the 110 (2-engined heavy fighter) is the next.
Fw 189 is a 2-engined recon, the Fw 191 is a 2-engine bomber. The Fw 187 precedes both those and the 190.
To me it is just a coincidence the numbers used were the same 3.

P-51, P-47, P-38 were not company designations, but USAAC ones.

But what about Fw 200? Didn't it predated at least the 190? To me, the Condor (or Kondor) always had Belén odd in the number.

 

[GrauGeist]

But what about Fw 200? Didn't it predated at least the 190? To me, the Condor (or Kondor) always had Belén odd in the number.

Kurt Tank was working on a fighter project before the Kondor, so 8-190 was allocated to the Fw190 before 8-200 was allocated to the Fw200.

 

[Escuadrilla Azul]

Kurt Tank was working on a fighter project before the Kondor, so 8-190 was allocated to the Fw190 before 8-200 was allocated to the Fw200.

So, if understood well, Kurt Tank was working in a fighter project, the very onset for the Fw 190 but it wasn´t necessarily in its "final" prototype that fly in 1939 before he started the project for Fw 200, whose first prototype flew in 1937?

A lengthy development that of project 8-190.

 

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Row	RLM Number	Factory		Description	Made
1	8-5	Fieseler (Fi)		Two-seat low-wing Sports monoplane. 1 x Hirth HM 60
2	8-6	DFS		Glider
3	8-8	Gö (Göttingen)		Model
4	8-9	Ho		Prototype/experimental model for Gö/Ho 229
5	8-10	Dornier		Fighter parasol wing. 1 x BMW VI	2		8-10	Dornier Do 10
6	8-11	Dornier		High-wing medium bomber. 2 x Siemens Jupiter Sh-22	152		8-11	Dornier Do 11
7	8-11	Heinkel
8	8-11	Wiener-Neustadter (Wn)		High-wing light amphibian 2 x Siemens Sh 14				WNF Wn 11
9	8-12	Dornier		Light amphibian. I x pusher GR 5 Ke Swiss built			8-12	Dornier Do 12
10	8-12	Zlin (Czech.)		Light aircraft. 1 x			8-13	Dornier Do 13
11	8-13	Dornier		Bomber aircraft between Do 11 and Do 23.2 x BMW VI	4		8-14	Dornier Do 14
12	8-14	Dornier		Experimental flying boat. 2 x BMW VI
13	8-15	Weiner-Neustadter (WNF)		Low-wing twin-enginc light transport aircraft			8-15
14	8-15	Dornier "Wal"		Parasol-wing flying boat. 2 x BMW VI	46			Dornier Do 15
15	8-16	Wiener-Neustadter		Twin-boom light plane, one Salmson pusher 9 radial of 40 hp			8-16
16	8-17	Dornier		Med bomber. 2 x BMW VI later 2 x Bramo 323	2103
17	8-18	Dornier		High-wing flying boat. 2 x Junkers Jumo 205	173		8-17
18	8-19	Dornier		Low-wing twin-tail heavy bomber. 4 x Bramo 322	2		8-18
19	8-20	Dornier		Flying boat project. 8 x 1000 hp diese] engines			8-19
20	8-20	Hirth "Mose"		Motorised glider			8-20
21	8-22	Dornier		Sea reconnaissance aircraft. 1 x Hispano 12. Y21	29		8-21
22	8-23	Dornier		Shoulder-wing medium bomber. 2 x BMW VI	283		8-22
23	8-24	Dornier		High-wing flying boat. 3 x Bramo 323	249		8-23
24	8-25	Klemm (KI)		Light sports plane. 1 x Hirth HM 60	600		8-24
25	8-26	Klemm		Light aircraft.			8-25
26	8-26	Dornier		Shoulder-wing long-range flying boat. 4 x Jumo 205	6		8-26
27	8-27	Messerschmitt		Light aircraft	3
28	8-29	Dornier		Bomber project			8-27
29	8-29	Darmstadt		Training aircraft 1 x Sh 14
30	8-30	Focke-Wulf		Cierva autogyro	43		8-28	Cierva C.30
31	8-31	Klemm		Touring plane. 1 x Siemens Sh 14	33		8-29	Klemm Kl 31
32	8-32	Klemm		Similar to above. 3 seats			8-30	Klemm Kl 32
33	8-33	Junkers Ju (W)		Low-wing light cargo transport. 1 x Junkers L5	264
34	8-34	Junkers Ju (W)		Eight-seat light multi-purpose aircraft. 1 x BMW 132			8-31	Junkers W 33
35	8-35	Klemm		Luftwaffe standard trainer. 1 x HM 504	1320		8-32	Klemm L 33
36	8-36	Klemm		Four-seat low-wing tourer. 1 x HM 508			8-33	Junkers W 34
37	8-37	Heinkel						Klemm Kl 35
38	8-38	Heinkel		Seaplane	40		8-34	Klemm Kl 36
39	8-38	Junkers G.38		Large transport plane	2		8-35
40	8-39	DFS		Experimental delta-wing aircraft. 2 x Pobjoy	1		8-36
41	8-40	DFS		Experimental delta-wing glider for DFS 194/Me 163			8-37	Ei käytössä
42	8-40	Blohm & Voss		Shoulder wing glider/fighter	6			Heinkel HD 37
43	8-41	Heinkel		Project			8-38	Junkers G 38
44	8-42	Heinkel		Two-seat biplane floatplane trainer. 1 x Junkers L5	210			Heinkel HD 38
45	8-43	Focke-Wulf "Falke"		Three-seat high-wing tourer. 1 x Argus As 10	1		8-39	DFS 39
46	8-44	Focke-Wulf "Stieglitz"		Two-seat biplane. 1 x Siemens Sh 14	1754		8-40	DFS 40
47	8-45	Heinkel		Two-seat biplane recce aircraft. 1 x BMW VI	512			Blohm & Voss BV 40
48	8-46	Heinkel		Two-seat parasol-wing short range recce. 1 x Bramo 322	481			Focke-Wulf A 40
49	8-46	Junkers (W)		Small transport aircraft. 1 x BMW Hornet	5		8-41	Ei käytössä
50	8-47	Focke-Wulf		Two-seat parasol-wing lightplane. 1 x Argus As 10	19		8-42	Heinkel He 42
51	8-47	Heinkel		High-wing bomber. 1 x DB 600				Focke-Wulf A 42
52	8-48	Junkers (A)		Two-seat fighter attack. 1 x Siemens Sh 20 & others	31		8-43	Focke-Wulf A 43
53	8-49	Junkers		Single-seat low-wing experimental high altitude Ju L188	1			Heinkel HD 43
54	8-49	Heinkel		Single-seat prototype biplane fighter. 1 x BMW VI	3		8-44	Focke-Wulf Fw 44
55	8-50	Heinkel		Single-seat biplane dive-bomber. 1 x Bramo 322	95		8-45	Heinkel He 45
56	8-51	Heinkel		Single-seat biplane fighter. 1 x BMW VI	603		8-46	Heinkel He 46
57	8-52	Heinkel		Recce biplane. 1 x BMW VI				Junkers Ju 46
58	8-52	Junkers		Low-wing transport/bomber. 1 later 3 x BMW 132	4860		8-47	Focke-Wulf Fw 47
59	8-53	Junkers K		Two-seat recce aircraft. 2 x Junkers L5				Junkers K 47
60	8-54	DFS		High-altitude seaplane with pressurised cabin				Heinkel He 47
61	8-54	Nagler und Rolz		Experimental helicopter	2		8-48	Junkers A 48
62	8-55	Nagler und Rolz		Experimental helicopter			8-49	Junkers Ju 49
63	8-55	Focke-Wulf		Two-seat biplane, Sports aircraft	2			Heinkel He 49
64	8-56	Focke-Wulf "Stösser"		Parasol-wing fighter-trainer, 1 x Argus As 10	472		8-50	Heinkel He 50
65	8-57	Focke-Wulf		Heavy fighter. 2 x Junkers Jumo 210	3			Junkers A 50
66	8-57	North American Texan		(French) Training aircraft	115		8-51	Heinkel He 51
67	8-58	Focke-Wulf "Weihe"		Four-seat comms aircraft. 2 x Argus As 10	1668			Junkers K 51
68	8-59	Heinkel		Four-seater multi-purpose seaplane. 2 x BMW VI	167		8-52	Junkers Ju 52
69	8-60	Heinkel		Two-seat biplane, recce seaplane. I x BMW VI	341		8-53	Junkers K 53
70	8-60	Junkers		Eight-seat low-wing light transport. 1 x BMW Hornet	2		8-54	Nagler-Rolz NR 54
71	8-61	Focke-Achgelis (Fa)		Single-seat experimental helicopter. I x Siemens Sh 14			8-55	Nagler-Rolz NR 55
72	8-61	Junkers EF		Two-seat high-altitude experimental aircraft. 2 x DB 601	2			Focke-Wulf Fw 55
73	8-62	Focke-Wulf		Two-seat biplane, recce floatplane. 1 x BMW 132	2		8-56	Focke-Wulf Fw 56
74	8-63	Heinkel		Two-seat training aircraft. 1 x Argus As 10	10			Heinkel HD 56
75	8-63	Potez		French multi-purpose aircraft. 2 x 14 GR 14M	200		8-57	Focke-Wulf Fw 57
76	8-64	Heinkel		Two-seat touring plane. 1 x Argus As 8	3			Na 57 BT-9
77	8-64	Arado		Biplane fighter. 1 x Siemens Jupiter	32		8-58	Focke-Wulf Fw 58
78	8-65	Arado		Biplane fighter. 1 x BMW VI	182			Heinkel He 58
79	8-66	Arado		Two-seat biplane training aircraft. 1 x Argus As 10	1455		8-59	Heinkel He 59
80	8-67	Arado		Single-seat biplane fighter, prototype. 1 x RR Kestrel	2		8-60	Heinkel He 60
81	8-68	Arado		Biplane fighter. 1 x BMW V 1/Jumo 210	467			Junkers Ju 60
82	8-69	Arado		Two-seat biplane trg aircraft 1 x Hirth HM 504/Sh 14	7		8-61	Focke-Wulf Fw 61
83	8-70	Heinkel		Multi-purpose aircraft. 1 x BMW VI	321			Heinkel He 61
84	8-71	Heinkel		Single-seat sportplane. 1 x Hirth HM 4	2		8-62	Focke-Wulf Fw 62
85	8-71	B (Czech)		Target tug aircraft. 2 x HS 12Y drs	111			Heinkel He 62
86	8-72	Heinkel "Kadet"		Two-seat trainer. 1 x Siemens Sh 14 radial	741		8-63	Heinkel He 63
87	8-73	Heinkel						Potez 63
88	8-74	Heinkel		Single-seat biplane advanced trainer. 1 x Argus As 10	8		8-64	Heinkel He 64
89	8-75	Albatros		Training aircraft.	59			Arado Ar 64
90	8-76	Arado		Single-seat parasol-wing trainer. I x Argus As 10	185		8-65	Arado Ar 65
91	8-77	Arado		Four-seat low-wing comms aircraft. 2 x Argus As 10	2			Heinkel He 65
92	8-77	Junkers		Modernised Ju 52 project			8-66	Arado Ar 66
93	8-78	Arado		Project				Heinkel He 66
94	8-79	Arado		Two-seat low-wing Sports aircraft. 1 x Hirth HM 504	118		8-67	Arado Ar 67
95	8-80	Arado		Low-wing monoplane fighter. 1 x Jumo 210	5		8-68	Arado Ar 68
96	8-81	Arado		Two-seat biplane dive-bomber. 1 x Jumo 210	3		8-69	Arado Ar 69
97	8-82	SM (Italian)		Transport plane. 3 x AR 128	100		8-70	Heinkel He 70
98	8-84	Junkers		Project			8-71	Heinkel He 71
99	8-85	Junkers		Developed into Ju 88. 2 x Jumo 211				Avia B.71
100	8-86	Junkers		Transp./Bomber, low wings and twin tails (10 Umbau)	+910		8-72	Heinkel He 72
101	8-87	Junkers "Stuka"		Two-seat dive-bomber low cranked wings Jumo 211	6513		8-73	Ei käytössä
102	8-88	Junkers		Three/four-seat bomber/recce/heavy fighter 2 x Jumo 211	15018		8-74	Heinkel He 74
103	8-89	Junkers		Five-seat heavy bomber. 4 x Jumo 210	2		8-75	Ei käytössä
104	8-90	Junkers		Low-wing airliner. Develop Ju 89. 4 x BMW 132	18			Albatros L 75
105	8-91	Junkers		Project			8-76	Arado Ar 76
106	8-92	Junkers		Project			8-77	Arado Ar 77
107	8-93	Junkers		Project			8-78	Ei käytössä
108	8-94	Junkers		Project			8-79	Arado Ar 79
109	8-95	Arado		Three-seat biplane recce floatplane 1 x BMW 132	54		8-80	Arado Ar 80
110	8-96	Arado		Two-seat low-wing trainer. 1 x Argus As 10 or 410	3400		8-81	Arado Ar 81
111	8-97	Fieseler		Four-seat low-wing lightplane. 1 x Argus As 17	6		8-82	Ei käytössä
112	8-98	Fieseler		Single-seat dive-bomber biplane. 1 x BMW 132	2			Savoia-Marchetti SM.82
113	8-99	Fieseler		Two-seat low-wing sports plane. 1 x Hirth HM 506	3		8-83	Ei käytössä
114	8-100	Heinkel		Low-wing interceptor. 1 x DB 601	35		8-84	Ei käytössä

 

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101	8-87	Junkers "Stuka"		Two-seat dive-bomber low cranked wings Jumo 211	6513
102	8-88	Junkers		Three/four-seat bomber/recce/heavy fighter 2 x Jumo 211	15018
103	8-89	Junkers		Five-seat heavy bomber. 4 x Jumo 210	2
104	8-90	Junkers		Low-wing airliner. Develop Ju 89. 4 x BMW 132	18
105	8-91	Junkers		Project
106	8-92	Junkers		Project
107	8-93	Junkers		Project
108	8-94	Junkers		Project
109	8-95	Arado		Three-seat biplane recce floatplane 1 x BMW 132	54
110	8-96	Arado		Two-seat low-wing trainer. 1 x Argus As 10 or 410	3400
111	8-97	Fieseler		Four-seat low-wing lightplane. 1 x Argus As 17	6
112	8-98	Fieseler		Single-seat dive-bomber biplane. 1 x BMW 132	2
113	8-99	Fieseler		Two-seat low-wing sports plane. 1 x Hirth HM 506	3
114	8-100	Heinkel		Low-wing interceptor. 1 x DB 601	35
115	8-101	Albatros		Two-seat parasol-wing training plane. 1 x Argus As 8	87
116	8-101	Heinkel		Fighter project for Spain.
117	8-102	Albatros		Two-seat parasol-wing trainer. 1 x Argus As 10	18
118	8-103	Albatros		Training plane
119	8-103	Fieseler		V-1 pilotless flying bomb. 1 x Argus As 014 pulse jet	30000
120	8-103R	Fieseler		V-1 piloted version. l x Argus As 014 pulse jet	107
121	8-104	Siebel (Fh)		Five-seat low-wing comms aircraft. 2 x Hirth HM 508	46
122	8-104	Klemm		Light cabin aircraft
123	8-105	Klemm		Two-seat low-wing Sports prototype. 1 x Zundapp 092	1
124	8-106	Klemm		Two-seat low-wing sports plane. 1 x Hirth HM 500	10
125	8-107	Klemm		Two-seat training aircraft. 1 x Hirth HM 500	7
126	8-108	BFW "Taifun"		Four-seat low-wing comms. 1 x Argus As 10	953
127	8-109	BFW		Single-seat fighter. 1 x DB 601 or DB 605	33467
128	8-110	BFW		Two-seat destroyer low wings. 2 x DB 601 or DB 605	5960
129	8-111	Heinkel		Medium bomber with low wings 2 x DB 601 or Jumo 211	6,478
130	8-112	Heinkel		Single-seat fighter low wings. 1 x Jumo 210	103
131	8-113	Heinkel		Original designation for He 100. later other project	-
132	8-114	Heinkel		Two-seat sesquiplane recce with floats. 1 x BMW 132	136
133	8-115	Heinkel.		Recce floatplane. 2 x BMW 132	225
134	8-116	Heinkel		Airliner. 4 x Hirth HM 508	22
135	8-117	Heinkel		Project
136	8-117	Henschel "Schmetterling"		Rocket-propelled ground-to-air missile
137	8-118	Heinkel		Single-seat low-wing dive-bomber. 1 x DB 600	13
138	8-119	Heinkel		Two-seat low-wing fast recce. 1 x DB 606	12
139	8-120	Heinkel		Large project flying boat. 4 x Jumo 205
140	8-121	Henschel		Single-scat parasol-wing training aircraft. 1 x Argus As 10	1
141	8-122	Henschel		Two-seat parasol-wing recce. 1 x Bramo 322	19
142	8-123	Henschel		Single-seat dive-bomber biplane. 1 x BMW 132	276
143	8-124	Henschel		Three-seat low-wing light bomber. 2 x BMW 132	3
144	8-125	Henschel		Low-wing version the Hs 121. 1 x Argus As 10	2
145	8-126	Henschel		Improved version of Hs 122. 1 x Bramo 323	947
146	8-127	Henschel		Two-seat bomber. 2 x DB 600	2
147	8-128	Henschel		Two-seat high-altitude research aircraft. 2 x DB 600	2
148	8-129	Henschel		Low-wing ground attack. 2 x Gnöme-Rhöne 14M	869
149	8-130	Henschel		Two/four-seat high-altitude recce-bomber. 2 x DB 601R etc.	23
150	8-131	Bücker "Jungmann"		Two-seat biplane trainer. 1 x Hirth HM 504	2272
151	8-132	Bücker		Project
152	8-132	Henschel		Single-seat prone-pilot dive-bomber. 1 x BMW 003 jet	2
153	8-133	Bücker "Jungmeister"		S/S biplane advanced trng aircraft 1 x Siemens Sh 14	146
154	8-134	Bücker		Two-seat high-wing sports p/type. 1 x Hirth HM 504
155	8-135	Hamburger		S/seat biplane advanced trainer. I x Siemens Sh 14	2
156	8-136	Hamburger		Single-seat low-wing Sports plane. 1 x Siemens Sh 14	2
157	8-137	Hamburger		S/S low-wing dive-bomber. 1 x BMW 132/Jumo 210	19
158	8-138	Blohm und Voss		Six-seat twin-boom recce flying boat. 3 x Jumo 205	283
159	8-139	Hamburger		Five-seat postal plane. 4 x Jumo 205	3
160	8-140	Hamburger		Three-seat torpedo floatplane. 2 x BMW 132	3
161	8-141	Blohm und Voss		Three-seat asymetric recce aircraft. 1 x BMW 801 & 132	26
162	8-142	Hamburger		Transport version of Ha 139.4 x BMW 132	4
163	8-143	Blohm und Voss		Rocket-propelled anti-shipping missile	157
164	8-144	Blohm und Voss		Twenty-one-seat airliner with variable incidence wing	2
165	8-145	Gotha		Two-seat biplane advanced trainer. 1 x Argus As 10	1161
166	8-146	Gotha		Four-seat low-wing liaison aircraft. 2 x Hirth HM 5	10
167	8-147	Gotha		Experimental tailless aircraft with parasol wing 1 x	2
168	8-149	Gotha		Single-seat low-wing training aircraft. 1 x Argus As 10	13
169	8-150	Gotha		Two-seat low-wing touring aircraft. 2 x Zundapp 092
170	8-151	Klemm		Touring aircraft	2
171	8-152	Klemm		Fighter
172	8-152	Focke-Wulf (Ta)		Single-seat fighter based on Fw 190. 1 x DB 603	67
173	8-153	Focke-Wulf (Ta)		Single-seat interceptor project based on the FW 190
174	8-185	Klemm		Not used.
175	8-154	Klemm		Not used.
176	8-154	Focke-Wulf (Ta)		Two-seat shoulder-wing night-fighter. 2 x Jumo 211	98
177	8-155	Klemm		Not used.
178	8-155	Messerschmitt		Single-seat fighter-bomber project later high altitude
179	8-155	Blohm und Voss		Development of the Me 155 high-altitude. 1 x DB 603	3
180	8-156	Fieseler "Storch"		High-wing short-take-off, 3-seat observ. 1 x Argus As 10	2650
181	8-157	Fieseler		Drone. 1 x Hirth HM 60	3
182	8-158	Fieseler		Single-seat low-wing record aircraft 1. x Hirth HM 506.
183	8-159	Focke-Wulf		Single-seat parasol-wing fighter. 1 x Jumo 210	3
184	8-160	Junkers		Dev. Ju 60: 8-seat low-wing airliner. 1 x BMW 132	46
185	8-161	BFW		Two-seat recce aircraft based on the Bf 110	2
186	8-162	BFW "Jaguar"		Three-seat fast bomber based on Bf 110	3
187	8-162	Heinkel "Salamander"		Single-seat interceptor. 1 x BMW 003	275
188	8-163	BFW		Three-seat liaison aircraft	3
189	8-163	Messerschmitt "Komet"		Single-seat short-range jet fighter. 1 x HWK 509.	470
190	8-164	Messer/Caudron (MeC)		High-wing multi-purposc aircraft project 2 x As 411
191	8-165	Messerschmitt		Project
192	8-166	Fieseler		Rocket-propelled target defence fighter.
193	8-166	Fieseler		Single-seat sports biplane Fi 166
194	8-167	Fieseler		Carrier naval biplane recce/bomber. 1 x DB 601	18
195	8-168	Fieseler		Project
196	8-169	Fieseler		Project
197	8-170	Heinkel		He 70 dev. for Hungary. 1 x Gnöme-Rhöne 14K	18
198	8-171	Heinkel		Project
199	8-172	Heinkel		He 72 development	14
200	8-173	Heinkel		Project

 

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201	8-174	Heinkel		Project			8-166
202	8-175	Bloch		French Recce aircraft. 2 x Gnöme-Rhöne GR 14N	200
203	8-176	Heinkel		World's first rocket-engined aircraft. 1 x Walter rocket	1		8-167
204	8-177	Heinkel "Greif"		Mid-wing heavy bomber. 2 x DB 606 or DB 610	1176		8-168
205	8-178	Heinkel		World's first pure jet aircraft. 1 x Heinkel HeS 3	2
206	8-179	Heinkel		Project			8-169
207	8-180	Bücker "Student"		Two-seat low-wing training aircraft. 1 x Zundapp 092	19		8-170
208	8-181	Bücker "Bestmann"		Side-by-side low-wing trainer. 1 x Hirth HM 500	2689		8-171
209	8-182	Bücker "Kornett"		Single-seat advanced trainer. 1 x BUM 700	5		8-172
210	8-183	Bücker		Project			8-173
211	8-183	Focke-Wulf (Ta)		Single-seat fighter project. 1 x Heinkel HeS 011 jet			8-174
212	8-184	Flettner		Two-seat experimental autogyro. 1 x Siemens Sh 14			8-175
213	8-185	Flettner		Single-seat experimental helicopter. I x Siemens Sh 14
214	8-185	Junkers		Four-engined development of Ju 86			8-176
215	8-186	Focke-Wulf		Single-seat autogyro. 1 x Argus As 10	2		8-177
216	8-186	Junkers		Ju 86 development			8-178
217	8-187	Focke-Wulf 'Falke'		Heavy fighter. 2 x DB 600 or Jumo 210	14		8-179
218	8-187	Junkers		Projected improved version of Ju87			8-180
219	8-188	Junkers		Med/Bomb, improved Ju 88. 2 x Jumo 213 or BMW 801	1618		8-181
220	8-189	Focke-Wulf		Three-seat twin-boom recce aircraft. 2 x Argus As 410	849		8-182
221	8-190	Focke-Wulf		S/S fighter/ground-attack aircraft. 1 x BMW 801/Jumo 213	20001		8-183
222	8-191	Focke-Wulf		Four-seat medium bomber mid-wing. 2 x DB 606, BMW 801	6		8-184
223	8-192	AGO		Low-wing comms aircraft. 2 x Argus As 10	10		8-185
224	8-193	DFS		Experimental aircraft 4. 1 x Argus As 10			8-186
225	8-194	DFS		Experimental delta-wing rocket fighter. 1 x Walter rocket	1
226	8-195	Arado		I mproved version of Ar 95. 1 x BMW 132	3		8-187
227	8-196	Arado		Two-seat low-wing carrier recce floatplane. 1 x BMW 132	526
228	8-197	Arado		Single-seat biplane shipboard fighter. 1 x BMW 132	3		8-188
229	8-198	Arado		Three-seat mid-wing recce prototype. 1 x Bramo 323			8-189
230	8-199	Arado		Two-seat floatplane training aircraft. 1 x Argus As 410	35		8-190
231	8-200	Focke-Wulf "Condor"		Low-wing airliner and recce. 4 x Bramo 323	280		8-191
232	8-201	Siebel		High-wing liaison-obs. plane. 1 x Argus As 10 as pusher	2		8-192
233	8-202	Siebel		Two-seat low-wing sports aircraft. 1 x Salmson 7 etc.	66		8-193
234	8-284	Focke-Achgelis		Flying Crane helicopter. 2 x BMW 801	1
234	8-203	Siebe]		Project			8-194
235	8-285	Flettner		Helicopter project. 1 x Argus AS 10C			8-195
235	8-204	Siebel		Multi-purpose training aircraft. 2 x Argus As 411	1175		8-196
236	8-206	Focke-Wulf		Transport aircraft. 2 x Bramo 323			8-197
236	8-286	Junkers		Six-engined bomber project based on Ju 86 and Ju I86			8-198
237	8-287	Junkers		Heavy jet bomber. 6 x BMW 003 jets	2		8-199
237	8-208	Messerschmitt		Bf 108 development. 1 x Argus AS 10	8		8-200
238	8-288	Junkers		Four-seat medium bomber. 2 x DB 610, Jumo 222	25
238	8-209	Messerschmitt		Two modeln single-seat fighters. 1 x DB 601	4+5		8-201
239	8-289	Junkers		Project			8-202
239	8-210	Messerschmitt		Two-seat fighter/bomb/recce aircraft. 2 x DB 601/DB605	483		8-203
240	8-211	Hütter		High-altitude recce version of the He 219.
240	8-290	Junkers		Long-range trans/recce based on Ju 90. 4 x BMW 801	48		8-204
241	8-211	Focke-Wulf (Ta)		Original design of Ta 154.			8-205
241	8-291	Henschel		Project			8-206
242	8-212	Dornier		Amphibian for Switzerland. 1 x pusher engine			8-207
242	8-292	Henschel		Project			8-208
243	8-292	Argus		Small recce aircraft AS 292	>100		8-209
243	8-212	Zlin (Czech)		Light aircraft	50
244	8-214	Dornier		Fifty-two-seat long-range flying boat. 8 x DB 603	1		8-210
244	8-293	Henschel		Air-launched anti-shipping missile. 1 x HWK 507 rocket	7295		8-211
245	8-215	Dornier		Medium recce bomber based on Do 177; 2 x DB601	105
245	8-294	Henschel		Air-launched anti-shipping missile. 2 x HWK 507 rockets	-		8-212
246	8-216	Dormer		Forty-four-seat transport flying boat. 6 x DB 603
246	8-295	Henschel		Air-launched missile based on Hs 293, enlarged	50		8-213
247	8-217	Dornier		Medium bomber 2 x BMW 801 or DB 603	1770		8-214
247	8-296	Henschel		Air-launched missile project. 1 x Schmidding rocket			8-215
248	8-296	Arado		Projected improved version of the Ar 96			8-216
248	8-218	Dornier		Project			8-217
249	8-219	Heinkel "Uhu" (owl)		Three-seat night-fighter mid-wing. 2 x DB 603.	294
249	8-297	Henschel		Original designation for Hs 117 missile			8-218
250	8-220	Heinkel		Project			8-219
250	8-298	Henschel		Air-to-air missile. 1 x Schmidding 543 rocket engine	300		8-220

 

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251	8-221	Dornier		Project
251	8-299	Junkers		Project
252	8-222	Blohm und Voss "Wiking"		120-seat flying boat/recce/airliner. 6 x Bramo 323	12
252	8-300	Focke-Wulf		Forty-five-seat airliner. 4 x Jumo 222
253	8-301	DFS		Project
253	8-223	Focke-Achgelis		Six-seat twin-rotor helicopter. 1 x Bramo 323 radial	19
254	8-224	Focke-Achgelis "Libelle"		Two-seat sports helicopter. 1 x Argus As 10 project
254	8-309	Messerschmitt		Single-seat fighter, nosewheel u/c. 1 x DB 603	4
255	8-225	Focke-Achgelis		Rotary-wing transport based on DFS 230 fuselage
255	8-310	Messerschmitt		I ligh-altitude version of Me 210. 4-bladed propellers	1
256	8-225	AGO		Project for a remote-cont. fighter to compete with Me 210
256	8-313	Caproni		Italian twin-engine training aircraft 2 x IF DRC 35	165
257	8-226	Blohm und Voss		Missile project. Developed into BV 246	3
257	8-315	Ilenschel		Missile project
258	8-317	Dornier		improved version of Do 217. 2 x DB 610	6
258	8-226	Horten		Ho VII tailless aircraft. 2 x Argus AS 10
259	8-318	Dornier		Development of Do 24	1
259	8-227	FG		Scale mode] built in connection with the BV 238
260	8-319	Heinkel		Version of He 219. 2 x DB 609	-
260	8-227	Horten		All-wing 2-seat trainer. 2 x Argus As 10 as pushers
261	8-228	DFS		Extremely-high-altitude recce. 1 x Walter 509 rocket	2
261	8-230	Messerschmitt		Project
262	8-229	Gö/Horten (Ho IX)		Twin-jet combat aircraft, flying wing. 2 x Jumo 004	3
262	8-321	Messerschmitt "Gigant"		Heavy glider transport, towed by Ju 90 etc.	201
263	8-322	Junkers "Mammut"		Heavy glider transport competed with Me 321	2
263	8-230	Morane Saulnier (French)		Training aircraft	170
264	8-230	DFS		Transport Glider	1601
264	8-323	Messerschmitt		Version of the Me 321, 6 x Gnome-Rhone 14N/R	198
265	8-231	Arado		Collapsible/recce to fly from U-boats. 1 x Hirth HM 504	6
265	8-323Z	Messerschmitt		Projected version of Me 323.6 x Jumo 2 I 1
266	8-232	Arado "Tatzelwurm"		Heavy transport. 2 or 4 x Bramo 323/BMW/801	32
266	8-325	Focke-Wulf		Project
267	8-233	Arado		Ten-seat comms flying boat. 2 x Gnöme-Rhöne GR 14	1
267	8-328	Messerschmitt		Fighter-bomber. 2 x Argus As 014 pulse jets	10
268	8-234	Arado "Blitz"		Single-seat light bomber shoulder wing. 2 x Jumo 004	306
268	8-329	Messerschmitt		Me 265 development. 2 x DB 603
269	8-330	Focke-Achgclis		Rotorkite for use from U-boats for reconnaissance	200
269	8-236	Focke-Achgelis		Project
270	8-237	Blohm und Voss		S/S asymetric dive-bomber project. Dev of 141. 1 x DB801
270	8-331	DFS		Troop-carrying glider	1
271	8-238	Blohm und Voss		Ten-crew very heavy transport flying boat. 6 x DB 603	3
271	8-332	Dl-S		Experimental glider	1
272	8-333	Fieseler		Transport with cargo pack. 2 x Bramo 323	3
272	8-238	Focke-Wulf		Long-range bomber. 4 x BMW 801
273	8-239	Arado		Project
273	8-334	Arado		Project
274	8-240	Arado		Two-seat multi-role combat aircraft. 2 x BMW 801/DB 603	15
274	8-335	Dornier "Pfeil"		Single-seat heavy fighter. 2 x DB 603, one as pusher	97
275	8-336	Focke-Achgelis		Powered version of the Fa 330
275	8-241	Gotha		Four-seat comms a/c Low wing twin tail. 2 x Hirth HM	1
276	8-242	Gotha		Twin-boom transport glider. 2 Crew+23 troops	1.528
276	8-337	Junkers		Project
277	8-339	Flettner		Recce helicopter. 1 x BMW 132	1
277	8-243	Messerschmitt		Project
278	8-340	Arado		Medium bomber project, twin boom. 2 x Jumo 222
278	8-244	Gotha		Powered version of the Go 242. 2 x Gnöme-Rhöne 14	177
279	8-341	Berlin (B)		Berlin B.9 experimental prone-pilot dive-bomber	1
279	8-245	Gotha
280	8-342	Doblhoff (WNF)		One-two-seat Experimental helicopter. 1 x Siemens Sh 14	4
280	8-245	Heinkel		Heinkel I le 45 development
281	8-246	Blohm und Voss		Air launched anti-shipping missile. 1 rocket engine	407
281	8-343	Heinke!		Fast bomber and GP aircraft. 4 x Jumo 004	1
282	8-248	Junkers		Original designation for Me 263	1
282	8-344	Kramer (X)		Kramer X-4 air-to-air guided missile. 1 x BMW 548
283	8-249	Focke-Wulf		Heavy transport project. 6 x Jumo 222
283	8-345	Gotha		Transport glider with 2 x Argus As 014 pulse jets	1
284	8-346	DFS		Supersonic plane, swept wings. 2 x HWK 509	1
284	8-250	Horten		Ho III sailplane
285	8-349	Bachem (Ba) "Natter"		VTOL interceptor single-seat short-range. 1 x HWK 509	50
285	8-250	Blohm und Voss		Heavy bomber. 6 x DB 603
286	8-251	Horten		Ho IV sailplane
286	8-352	Junkers "Herkules"		Heavy transport aircraft. 3 x Bramo 323	45
287	8-356	Fieseler		Project based on the Fi 156
287	8-252	Horten		Ho V Flying wing. 2 x Hirth H M 60
288	8-252	Junkers		Thirty-five-seat transport/airliner, 3 x Jumo 211, Bramo 323	22
288	8-356	Junkers		Project
289	8-253	Horten		Ho VI flying wing
289	8-362	Messerschmitt		Project for a jet au liner. 6 x BMW 003
290	8-253	Fieseler "Spatz"		Two-seat light Sports aircraft, 2 x Zundapp 092	9
290	8-368	Messerschmitt		Project
291	8-370	Arado		Project
291	8-254	Horten		Ho VII sailplane
292	8-381	Arado		Bomber
292	8-254	Focke-Wulf (Ta)		I mproved version of Ta 154 project
293	8-256	Fieseler		I mproved version of Fi 156, five-scat	6
293	8-388	Junkers		Med bomber/night-fighter based on Ju 188. 2 x BMW 801
294	8-390	Junkers		Six-engined version of Ju 290. 6 x BMW 801	106
294	8-257	Skoda Kauba		Single-seat fighter trainer. 1 x Argus As 10	8
295	8-259	Focke-Wulf		Project. Frontjäger
295	8-391	Focke-Wulf		Project based on the Fw 391	2
296	8-396	Arado		Training aircraft based an the Ar 96
296	8-261	Messerschmitt "Adolphine"		Three-seat ultra-Jong-ränge recce. 2 x DB 610	3
297	8-261	Focke-Wulf		Long-range recce aircraft. 4 x BMW 801
297	8-400	Tank		Heavy bomber with 6 x BMW 801
298	8-409	Messerschmitt		Development of Me 309
298	8-262	Messerschmitt "Schwalbe"		S/S fighter-bomber low swept wings. 2 x Jumo 004	1453
299	8-410	Me "Hornisse"		Destroyer with 2 x DB 603	1013
299	8-263	Messerschmitt		I mproved version Me 163. 1 x Walter I IWK 509	1
300	8-417	Dornier		Development of Do 217 bomber
300	8-264	Messerschmitt		Six-seat long-range heavy bomber. 4 x Jumo 211	3

 

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301	8-419	Heinkel		Development of He 219 night-fighter
301	8-265	Messerschmitt		Single-seat tailless fighter. 2 x DB 603 as pushcrs
302	8-265	Flettner		Single-seat experimental helicopter. 1 x Siemens Sh 14	6
302	8-423	ZSO		Projected development of Me 323
303	8-266	Focke-Achgelis		Improved version of the Fa 223
303	8-430	Kalk		Development of Go 242 glider	20
304	8-432	Arado		Development of Ar 232 jet bomber	1
304	8-267	Gotha		Project
305	8-435	Dornier		Do 335 version with 2 x Jumo 222
305	8-268	Junkers		Mistel project, lower component twin jets
306	8-440	Arado		Ar 240 development	4
306	8-269	Focke-Achgelis		VTOL single-seat fighter, rocket and rarnjets	1
307	8-445	Caudron (French)		Small multi-purpose aircraft. 2 x Renault 6Q	690
307	8-270	Heinkel		l mproved version of He 70. 1 x DB 601	2
308	9-446	DFS		Project
308	8-271	Weser		Small amphibian. Argus 2 x AS 10
309	8-272	Heinkel
309	8-488	Junkers		Development of Ju 388 with 4 x BMW 801	6
310	8-272	Focke-Wulf		Project
310	8-491	Focke-Wulf		Development of Fw 391
311	8-500	Arado		Medium bomber with 2 x DB engines
311	8-273	Heinkel
312	8-274	Heinkel		High-alt heavy bomber based on He 177. 4 x DB603	2
312	8-500	Heinkel		Developed into He 162
313	8-275	Heinkel
313	8-509	Messerschmitt		Me 309 version
314	8-276	Heinkel
314	8-510	Messerschmitt		Development of Me 410: fighter-bomber
315	8-277	Heinkel		Heavy bomber based on the He 177. 4 x DB 603	3
315	8-519	Heinkel		Bomber with 1 x DB 619 (like He 119)
316	8-520	Dewoitine (French)		Fighter. 1 x HS	116
316	8-278	Heinkel
317	8-279	Heinkel
317	8-523	ZSO		Projected Me 323 development. 6 x Jumo 222
318	8-530	Arado		Twin-boom fighter. 2 x DB 603G
318	8-280	Heinkel		Single-seat low-wing fighter. 2 x HeS 001 jets	+9
319	8-532	Arado		Ar 232 development with 4 x BMW 018
319	8-281	Heinkel
320	8-534	Avia		Czech fighter trainer
320	8-281	Focke-Wulf (Ta)		Project
321	8-535	Dornier		Do 335 development with one turbojet
321	8-282	Flettner Kolibri		Single or two-seat helicopter. 1 x Siemens Sh 14	24
322	8-555	Arado		Tailless bomber 2-3 BMW 018
322	8-283	Focke-Wulf (Ta)		Single-seat interceptor, twin ramjets
323	8-561	Arado		Twin-engined destroyer
323	8-283	Focke-Achgelis		Improved version of Fa 223 with retractable undercarriage	1
324	8-580	Arado		Jet Fighter with one BMW 003A
325	8-581	Arado		Tailless jet Fighter with one HS 011
326	8-582	DFS		High-altitude research aircraft
327	8-607	Arado		Tailless jet fighter
328	8-609	Messerschmitt		Twin Me 309 fighter
329	8-632	Arado		Ar 232 development
330	8-635	Junkers		Twin Do 335 recce aircraft
				or Bramo 322

 

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[MiTasol]

I believe that the RLM controlled the issue of the 3 digit blocks to the various manufacturers as well so that you could not have, for example, a Ju88 and an He88. All of the numbers are unique with a very few exceptions. The 109 and 190 numbers are purely coincidence.

EDIT: on a side note, the numbers used by the manufacturers were not always used chronologically. Kurt Tank (Ta) first used the 154, then the 153, and finally the 152.

I had thought the same but GrauGeist blew that theory away in post 12.

My assumption was based on the numbering of the LW manuals - eg

D.(Luft)T.2052 for the Ju 52

D.(Luft) T.2109 for the Bf 109

D.(Luft)T.2196 for the Ar 196

etc

I do have to agree and disagree with GrauGeist's post 14 however. In some original German documents, I noticed many times, no spacing between the prefix and the numerals, (i.e.: Ju87, StG44, BK3,7 and so on) and then sometimes there appeared to be a space.
In all the small collection of LW manuals I have the the LW used a space between the manufacturer and the number and again between the number and the model designation - Bf 109 G6/U4 - not Bf109G6/U4. Obviously he has a better collection than I do but maybe the difference is LW vs manufacturer?

 

[GrauGeist]

I had thought the same but GrauGeist blew that theory away in post 12.

My assumption was based on the numbering of the LW manuals - eg

D.(Luft)T.2052 for the Ju 52

D.(Luft) T.2109 for the Bf 109

D.(Luft)T.2196 for the Ar 196

etc

I do have to agree and disagree with GrauGeist's post 14 however. In some original German documents, I noticed many times, no spacing between the prefix and the numerals, (i.e.: Ju87, StG44, BK3,7 and so on) and then sometimes there appeared to be a space.
In all the small collection of LW manuals I have the the LW used a space between the manufacturer and the number and again between the number and the model designation - Bf 109 G6/U4 - not Bf109G6/U4. Obviously he has a better collection than I do but maybe the difference is LW vs manufacturer?

The spacing could have been the way the paperwork was written at the time, too.

One thing that is a constant, is the hyphen that separates a variant by sub type, like Ju88C-4 or Me262A-1a.

The spacing between the manufacturer's prefix is perhaps one of those things that no one payed attention to at the time, so in the end, I suppose there's really no right or wrong way.

As it is, I don't have my books or computers (still), but here's screenshot of a Focke-Wolfe drawing of V13 for the Fw190.

Note the text in the upper left corner:

Now take a look at the upper right text on a Messerschmitt drawing for the Bf109's canopy:

 

[Denniss]

What's so special in the way V13 is written?

 

[GrauGeist]

What's so special in the way V13 is written?

No spaces: Fw190

Messerschmitt, on the otherhand, is: BF 109

 

[nuuumannn]

A few words about consistency in terms and nomenclature. Often, I will be referring to specific details about aircraft and engines from original documentation.

This is true, but as demonstrated with the Bf 109, the manufacturer was not super strict when it came to its own nomenclature surrounding the type. When writing professionally, I tend to go with the most widely accepted form of a designation and stick to national standards that are used in publications, such as "R.101" and "G.50" -note the period, in use to designate British and Italian aircraft, "Ki-43", "La-5FN" and "P-47", hyphen for Japanese, USSR and US aircraft and of course no hyphen or period for German. As I mentioned though, consistency is the key. From a university perspective, reference material cited in a research document has to be peer reviewed, so that limits what can be used.

One point about the Bf109,

The problem with Messerschmitt is the lack of standardisation within and out with the company, so it's best to pick one and stick with it. I'm sure no one should criticise if an author chooses to use Me 109 instead of Bf 109.

 

[MiTasol]

The spacing could have been the way the paperwork was written at the time, too.

One thing that is a constant, is the hyphen that separates a variant by sub type, like Ju88C-4 or Me262A-1a.

A query on that. Given I have never had an education on how the LW did their version of block numbers can you please break these down for the benefit of those under educated like me.

The E-B and E-N are a combination that I had never noticed before (which probably means my brain was not switched on at the time)

The spacing between the manufacturer's prefix is perhaps one of those things that no one payed attention to at the time, so in the end, I suppose there's really no right or wrong way.

I suspect you probably got 100% with that line

 

[MiTasol]

From a university perspective, reference material cited in a research document has to be peer reviewed, so that limits what can be used.

For one psych paper I did a comparison of the top five "experts" in the field and got an A+
My paper basically went
on the subject of x author a says black is black but author b says black is white and c, d and e say different shades of grey
on the subject of y author b says black is black but author e says black is white and the others say different shades of grey
on the subject of z author c says black is black but author a says black is white and the others say different shades of grey
What I did not say was that, to me, the whole unit was an absolute crock of crap.