German Fighter Nomenclature

denny · Jan 11, 2022

Engineman said:
A few words about consistency in terms and nomenclature. Often, I will be referring to specific details about aircraft and engines from original documentation. I try to always use the same terms and style used in the reference material. This can vary but, I think it is accurate. Sometimes documentation can seem to be slightly incorrect but, if we are effectively quoting from old official source, we should be accurate to source. Of course, real errors or large differences will require explanation in text.
One point about the Bf109, it seems to me with my own experiences that the 109 was and is still referred to in German as the "Me-einhundertneun", or just "einhundertneun". Also, the "Me" sounds to me in UK English as "May". Certainly much easier in normal conversation than to say "Bayerische Flugzeugwerke 109". Of course, in common use, most aircraft have abreviated or slang nicknames. I recall reading a German Ace pilot's book where he says he referred to his aircraft as "crates"!

Cheers

Eng

Funny, your last sentence.
I remember watching "The Longest Day" the 1962 Zanuck movie.

One of the German Generals is arguing on the phone with (I Guess) the ranking Luftwaffe Pilot in Normandy.
He complains to the general that all he has at his disposal is one other pilot and "Two Crates".
I always wondered if that was an overtly Hollywood Mistake.
It would seem not.

BiffF15 · Jan 11, 2022

Probably a hand me down from the Great War.

GrauGeist · Jan 11, 2022

BiffF15 said:
Probably a hand me down from the Great War.

Could be, the term has been around for quite a while.

I heard it alot when I was kid, from the guys when they were having conversations and they were all pilots from WWII and Korea, plus my Uncle Bill, who was at the time, flying in Viet Nam.

special ed · Jan 11, 2022

Many of the books I read about WW1 had references to "crates" by the flyers speaking of their aircraft.

Escuadrilla Azul · Jan 12, 2022

tomo pauk said:
Bf 108 ('civilian' machine) preceedes the 109, the 110 (2-engined heavy fighter) is the next.
Fw 189 is a 2-engined recon, the Fw 191 is a 2-engine bomber. The Fw 187 precedes both those and the 190.
To me it is just a coincidence the numbers used were the same 3.

P-51, P-47, P-38 were not company designations, but USAAC ones.

But what about Fw 200? Didn't it predated at least the 190? To me, the Condor (or Kondor) always had Belén odd in the number.

GrauGeist · Jan 12, 2022

Escuadrilla Azul said:
But what about Fw 200? Didn't it predated at least the 190? To me, the Condor (or Kondor) always had Belén odd in the number.

Kurt Tank was working on a fighter project before the Kondor, so 8-190 was allocated to the Fw190 before 8-200 was allocated to the Fw200.

Escuadrilla Azul · Jan 12, 2022

GrauGeist said:
Kurt Tank was working on a fighter project before the Kondor, so 8-190 was allocated to the Fw190 before 8-200 was allocated to the Fw200.

So, if understood well, Kurt Tank was working in a fighter project, the very onset for the Fw 190 but it wasn´t necessarily in its "final" prototype that fly in 1939 before he started the project for Fw 200, whose first prototype flew in 1937?

A lengthy development that of project 8-190.

Snautzer01 · Jan 12, 2022

Row	RLM Number	Factory	Description	Made
1	8-5	Fieseler (Fi)	Two-seat low-wing Sports monoplane. 1 x Hirth HM 60
2	8-6	DFS	Glider
3	8-8	Gö (Göttingen)	Model
4	8-9	Ho	Prototype/experimental model for Gö/Ho 229
5	8-10	Dornier	Fighter parasol wing. 1 x BMW VI	2	8-10	Dornier Do 10
6	8-11	Dornier	High-wing medium bomber. 2 x Siemens Jupiter Sh-22	152	8-11	Dornier Do 11
7	8-11	Heinkel
8	8-11	Wiener-Neustadter (Wn)	High-wing light amphibian 2 x Siemens Sh 14			WNF Wn 11
9	8-12	Dornier	Light amphibian. I x pusher GR 5 Ke Swiss built		8-12	Dornier Do 12
10	8-12	Zlin (Czech.)	Light aircraft. 1 x		8-13	Dornier Do 13
11	8-13	Dornier	Bomber aircraft between Do 11 and Do 23.2 x BMW VI	4	8-14	Dornier Do 14
12	8-14	Dornier	Experimental flying boat. 2 x BMW VI
13	8-15	Weiner-Neustadter (WNF)	Low-wing twin-enginc light transport aircraft		8-15
14	8-15	Dornier "Wal"	Parasol-wing flying boat. 2 x BMW VI	46		Dornier Do 15
15	8-16	Wiener-Neustadter	Twin-boom light plane, one Salmson pusher 9 radial of 40 hp		8-16
16	8-17	Dornier	Med bomber. 2 x BMW VI later 2 x Bramo 323	2103
17	8-18	Dornier	High-wing flying boat. 2 x Junkers Jumo 205	173	8-17
18	8-19	Dornier	Low-wing twin-tail heavy bomber. 4 x Bramo 322	2	8-18
19	8-20	Dornier	Flying boat project. 8 x 1000 hp diese] engines		8-19
20	8-20	Hirth "Mose"	Motorised glider		8-20
21	8-22	Dornier	Sea reconnaissance aircraft. 1 x Hispano 12. Y21	29	8-21
22	8-23	Dornier	Shoulder-wing medium bomber. 2 x BMW VI	283	8-22
23	8-24	Dornier	High-wing flying boat. 3 x Bramo 323	249	8-23
24	8-25	Klemm (KI)	Light sports plane. 1 x Hirth HM 60	600	8-24
25	8-26	Klemm	Light aircraft.		8-25
26	8-26	Dornier	Shoulder-wing long-range flying boat. 4 x Jumo 205	6	8-26
27	8-27	Messerschmitt	Light aircraft	3
28	8-29	Dornier	Bomber project		8-27
29	8-29	Darmstadt	Training aircraft 1 x Sh 14
30	8-30	Focke-Wulf	Cierva autogyro	43	8-28	Cierva C.30
31	8-31	Klemm	Touring plane. 1 x Siemens Sh 14	33	8-29	Klemm Kl 31
32	8-32	Klemm	Similar to above. 3 seats		8-30	Klemm Kl 32
33	8-33	Junkers Ju (W)	Low-wing light cargo transport. 1 x Junkers L5	264
34	8-34	Junkers Ju (W)	Eight-seat light multi-purpose aircraft. 1 x BMW 132		8-31	Junkers W 33
35	8-35	Klemm	Luftwaffe standard trainer. 1 x HM 504	1320	8-32	Klemm L 33
36	8-36	Klemm	Four-seat low-wing tourer. 1 x HM 508		8-33	Junkers W 34
37	8-37	Heinkel				Klemm Kl 35
38	8-38	Heinkel	Seaplane	40	8-34	Klemm Kl 36
39	8-38	Junkers G.38	Large transport plane	2	8-35
40	8-39	DFS	Experimental delta-wing aircraft. 2 x Pobjoy	1	8-36
41	8-40	DFS	Experimental delta-wing glider for DFS 194/Me 163		8-37	Ei käytössä
42	8-40	Blohm & Voss	Shoulder wing glider/fighter	6		Heinkel HD 37
43	8-41	Heinkel	Project		8-38	Junkers G 38
44	8-42	Heinkel	Two-seat biplane floatplane trainer. 1 x Junkers L5	210		Heinkel HD 38
45	8-43	Focke-Wulf "Falke"	Three-seat high-wing tourer. 1 x Argus As 10	1	8-39	DFS 39
46	8-44	Focke-Wulf "Stieglitz"	Two-seat biplane. 1 x Siemens Sh 14	1754	8-40	DFS 40
47	8-45	Heinkel	Two-seat biplane recce aircraft. 1 x BMW VI	512		Blohm & Voss BV 40
48	8-46	Heinkel	Two-seat parasol-wing short range recce. 1 x Bramo 322	481		Focke-Wulf A 40
49	8-46	Junkers (W)	Small transport aircraft. 1 x BMW Hornet	5	8-41	Ei käytössä
50	8-47	Focke-Wulf	Two-seat parasol-wing lightplane. 1 x Argus As 10	19	8-42	Heinkel He 42
51	8-47	Heinkel	High-wing bomber. 1 x DB 600			Focke-Wulf A 42
52	8-48	Junkers (A)	Two-seat fighter attack. 1 x Siemens Sh 20 & others	31	8-43	Focke-Wulf A 43
53	8-49	Junkers	Single-seat low-wing experimental high altitude Ju L188	1		Heinkel HD 43
54	8-49	Heinkel	Single-seat prototype biplane fighter. 1 x BMW VI	3	8-44	Focke-Wulf Fw 44
55	8-50	Heinkel	Single-seat biplane dive-bomber. 1 x Bramo 322	95	8-45	Heinkel He 45
56	8-51	Heinkel	Single-seat biplane fighter. 1 x BMW VI	603	8-46	Heinkel He 46
57	8-52	Heinkel	Recce biplane. 1 x BMW VI			Junkers Ju 46
58	8-52	Junkers	Low-wing transport/bomber. 1 later 3 x BMW 132	4860	8-47	Focke-Wulf Fw 47
59	8-53	Junkers K	Two-seat recce aircraft. 2 x Junkers L5			Junkers K 47
60	8-54	DFS	High-altitude seaplane with pressurised cabin			Heinkel He 47
61	8-54	Nagler und Rolz	Experimental helicopter	2	8-48	Junkers A 48
62	8-55	Nagler und Rolz	Experimental helicopter		8-49	Junkers Ju 49
63	8-55	Focke-Wulf	Two-seat biplane, Sports aircraft	2		Heinkel He 49
64	8-56	Focke-Wulf "Stösser"	Parasol-wing fighter-trainer, 1 x Argus As 10	472	8-50	Heinkel He 50
65	8-57	Focke-Wulf	Heavy fighter. 2 x Junkers Jumo 210	3		Junkers A 50
66	8-57	North American Texan	(French) Training aircraft	115	8-51	Heinkel He 51
67	8-58	Focke-Wulf "Weihe"	Four-seat comms aircraft. 2 x Argus As 10	1668		Junkers K 51
68	8-59	Heinkel	Four-seater multi-purpose seaplane. 2 x BMW VI	167	8-52	Junkers Ju 52
69	8-60	Heinkel	Two-seat biplane, recce seaplane. I x BMW VI	341	8-53	Junkers K 53
70	8-60	Junkers	Eight-seat low-wing light transport. 1 x BMW Hornet	2	8-54	Nagler-Rolz NR 54
71	8-61	Focke-Achgelis (Fa)	Single-seat experimental helicopter. I x Siemens Sh 14		8-55	Nagler-Rolz NR 55
72	8-61	Junkers EF	Two-seat high-altitude experimental aircraft. 2 x DB 601	2		Focke-Wulf Fw 55
73	8-62	Focke-Wulf	Two-seat biplane, recce floatplane. 1 x BMW 132	2	8-56	Focke-Wulf Fw 56
74	8-63	Heinkel	Two-seat training aircraft. 1 x Argus As 10	10		Heinkel HD 56
75	8-63	Potez	French multi-purpose aircraft. 2 x 14 GR 14M	200	8-57	Focke-Wulf Fw 57
76	8-64	Heinkel	Two-seat touring plane. 1 x Argus As 8	3		Na 57 BT-9
77	8-64	Arado	Biplane fighter. 1 x Siemens Jupiter	32	8-58	Focke-Wulf Fw 58
78	8-65	Arado	Biplane fighter. 1 x BMW VI	182		Heinkel He 58
79	8-66	Arado	Two-seat biplane training aircraft. 1 x Argus As 10	1455	8-59	Heinkel He 59
80	8-67	Arado	Single-seat biplane fighter, prototype. 1 x RR Kestrel	2	8-60	Heinkel He 60
81	8-68	Arado	Biplane fighter. 1 x BMW V 1/Jumo 210	467		Junkers Ju 60
82	8-69	Arado	Two-seat biplane trg aircraft 1 x Hirth HM 504/Sh 14	7	8-61	Focke-Wulf Fw 61
83	8-70	Heinkel	Multi-purpose aircraft. 1 x BMW VI	321		Heinkel He 61
84	8-71	Heinkel	Single-seat sportplane. 1 x Hirth HM 4	2	8-62	Focke-Wulf Fw 62
85	8-71	B (Czech)	Target tug aircraft. 2 x HS 12Y drs	111		Heinkel He 62
86	8-72	Heinkel "Kadet"	Two-seat trainer. 1 x Siemens Sh 14 radial	741	8-63	Heinkel He 63
87	8-73	Heinkel				Potez 63
88	8-74	Heinkel	Single-seat biplane advanced trainer. 1 x Argus As 10	8	8-64	Heinkel He 64
89	8-75	Albatros	Training aircraft.	59		Arado Ar 64
90	8-76	Arado	Single-seat parasol-wing trainer. I x Argus As 10	185	8-65	Arado Ar 65
91	8-77	Arado	Four-seat low-wing comms aircraft. 2 x Argus As 10	2		Heinkel He 65
92	8-77	Junkers	Modernised Ju 52 project		8-66	Arado Ar 66
93	8-78	Arado	Project			Heinkel He 66
94	8-79	Arado	Two-seat low-wing Sports aircraft. 1 x Hirth HM 504	118	8-67	Arado Ar 67
95	8-80	Arado	Low-wing monoplane fighter. 1 x Jumo 210	5	8-68	Arado Ar 68
96	8-81	Arado	Two-seat biplane dive-bomber. 1 x Jumo 210	3	8-69	Arado Ar 69
97	8-82	SM (Italian)	Transport plane. 3 x AR 128	100	8-70	Heinkel He 70
98	8-84	Junkers	Project		8-71	Heinkel He 71
99	8-85	Junkers	Developed into Ju 88. 2 x Jumo 211			Avia B.71
100	8-86	Junkers	Transp./Bomber, low wings and twin tails (10 Umbau)	+910	8-72	Heinkel He 72
101	8-87	Junkers "Stuka"	Two-seat dive-bomber low cranked wings Jumo 211	6513	8-73	Ei käytössä
102	8-88	Junkers	Three/four-seat bomber/recce/heavy fighter 2 x Jumo 211	15018	8-74	Heinkel He 74
103	8-89	Junkers	Five-seat heavy bomber. 4 x Jumo 210	2	8-75	Ei käytössä
104	8-90	Junkers	Low-wing airliner. Develop Ju 89. 4 x BMW 132	18		Albatros L 75
105	8-91	Junkers	Project		8-76	Arado Ar 76
106	8-92	Junkers	Project		8-77	Arado Ar 77
107	8-93	Junkers	Project		8-78	Ei käytössä
108	8-94	Junkers	Project		8-79	Arado Ar 79
109	8-95	Arado	Three-seat biplane recce floatplane 1 x BMW 132	54	8-80	Arado Ar 80
110	8-96	Arado	Two-seat low-wing trainer. 1 x Argus As 10 or 410	3400	8-81	Arado Ar 81
111	8-97	Fieseler	Four-seat low-wing lightplane. 1 x Argus As 17	6	8-82	Ei käytössä
112	8-98	Fieseler	Single-seat dive-bomber biplane. 1 x BMW 132	2		Savoia-Marchetti SM.82
113	8-99	Fieseler	Two-seat low-wing sports plane. 1 x Hirth HM 506	3	8-83	Ei käytössä
114	8-100	Heinkel	Low-wing interceptor. 1 x DB 601	35	8-84	Ei käytössä

Snautzer01 · Jan 12, 2022

101	8-87	Junkers "Stuka"	Two-seat dive-bomber low cranked wings Jumo 211	6513
102	8-88	Junkers	Three/four-seat bomber/recce/heavy fighter 2 x Jumo 211	15018
103	8-89	Junkers	Five-seat heavy bomber. 4 x Jumo 210	2
104	8-90	Junkers	Low-wing airliner. Develop Ju 89. 4 x BMW 132	18
105	8-91	Junkers	Project
106	8-92	Junkers	Project
107	8-93	Junkers	Project
108	8-94	Junkers	Project
109	8-95	Arado	Three-seat biplane recce floatplane 1 x BMW 132	54
110	8-96	Arado	Two-seat low-wing trainer. 1 x Argus As 10 or 410	3400
111	8-97	Fieseler	Four-seat low-wing lightplane. 1 x Argus As 17	6
112	8-98	Fieseler	Single-seat dive-bomber biplane. 1 x BMW 132	2
113	8-99	Fieseler	Two-seat low-wing sports plane. 1 x Hirth HM 506	3
114	8-100	Heinkel	Low-wing interceptor. 1 x DB 601	35
115	8-101	Albatros	Two-seat parasol-wing training plane. 1 x Argus As 8	87
116	8-101	Heinkel	Fighter project for Spain.
117	8-102	Albatros	Two-seat parasol-wing trainer. 1 x Argus As 10	18
118	8-103	Albatros	Training plane
119	8-103	Fieseler	V-1 pilotless flying bomb. 1 x Argus As 014 pulse jet	30000
120	8-103R	Fieseler	V-1 piloted version. l x Argus As 014 pulse jet	107
121	8-104	Siebel (Fh)	Five-seat low-wing comms aircraft. 2 x Hirth HM 508	46
122	8-104	Klemm	Light cabin aircraft
123	8-105	Klemm	Two-seat low-wing Sports prototype. 1 x Zundapp 092	1
124	8-106	Klemm	Two-seat low-wing sports plane. 1 x Hirth HM 500	10
125	8-107	Klemm	Two-seat training aircraft. 1 x Hirth HM 500	7
126	8-108	BFW "Taifun"	Four-seat low-wing comms. 1 x Argus As 10	953
127	8-109	BFW	Single-seat fighter. 1 x DB 601 or DB 605	33467
128	8-110	BFW	Two-seat destroyer low wings. 2 x DB 601 or DB 605	5960
129	8-111	Heinkel	Medium bomber with low wings 2 x DB 601 or Jumo 211	6,478
130	8-112	Heinkel	Single-seat fighter low wings. 1 x Jumo 210	103
131	8-113	Heinkel	Original designation for He 100. later other project	-
132	8-114	Heinkel	Two-seat sesquiplane recce with floats. 1 x BMW 132	136
133	8-115	Heinkel.	Recce floatplane. 2 x BMW 132	225
134	8-116	Heinkel	Airliner. 4 x Hirth HM 508	22
135	8-117	Heinkel	Project
136	8-117	Henschel "Schmetterling"	Rocket-propelled ground-to-air missile
137	8-118	Heinkel	Single-seat low-wing dive-bomber. 1 x DB 600	13
138	8-119	Heinkel	Two-seat low-wing fast recce. 1 x DB 606	12
139	8-120	Heinkel	Large project flying boat. 4 x Jumo 205
140	8-121	Henschel	Single-scat parasol-wing training aircraft. 1 x Argus As 10	1
141	8-122	Henschel	Two-seat parasol-wing recce. 1 x Bramo 322	19
142	8-123	Henschel	Single-seat dive-bomber biplane. 1 x BMW 132	276
143	8-124	Henschel	Three-seat low-wing light bomber. 2 x BMW 132	3
144	8-125	Henschel	Low-wing version the Hs 121. 1 x Argus As 10	2
145	8-126	Henschel	Improved version of Hs 122. 1 x Bramo 323	947
146	8-127	Henschel	Two-seat bomber. 2 x DB 600	2
147	8-128	Henschel	Two-seat high-altitude research aircraft. 2 x DB 600	2
148	8-129	Henschel	Low-wing ground attack. 2 x Gnöme-Rhöne 14M	869
149	8-130	Henschel	Two/four-seat high-altitude recce-bomber. 2 x DB 601R etc.	23
150	8-131	Bücker "Jungmann"	Two-seat biplane trainer. 1 x Hirth HM 504	2272
151	8-132	Bücker	Project
152	8-132	Henschel	Single-seat prone-pilot dive-bomber. 1 x BMW 003 jet	2
153	8-133	Bücker "Jungmeister"	S/S biplane advanced trng aircraft 1 x Siemens Sh 14	146
154	8-134	Bücker	Two-seat high-wing sports p/type. 1 x Hirth HM 504
155	8-135	Hamburger	S/seat biplane advanced trainer. I x Siemens Sh 14	2
156	8-136	Hamburger	Single-seat low-wing Sports plane. 1 x Siemens Sh 14	2
157	8-137	Hamburger	S/S low-wing dive-bomber. 1 x BMW 132/Jumo 210	19
158	8-138	Blohm und Voss	Six-seat twin-boom recce flying boat. 3 x Jumo 205	283
159	8-139	Hamburger	Five-seat postal plane. 4 x Jumo 205	3
160	8-140	Hamburger	Three-seat torpedo floatplane. 2 x BMW 132	3
161	8-141	Blohm und Voss	Three-seat asymetric recce aircraft. 1 x BMW 801 & 132	26
162	8-142	Hamburger	Transport version of Ha 139.4 x BMW 132	4
163	8-143	Blohm und Voss	Rocket-propelled anti-shipping missile	157
164	8-144	Blohm und Voss	Twenty-one-seat airliner with variable incidence wing	2
165	8-145	Gotha	Two-seat biplane advanced trainer. 1 x Argus As 10	1161
166	8-146	Gotha	Four-seat low-wing liaison aircraft. 2 x Hirth HM 5	10
167	8-147	Gotha	Experimental tailless aircraft with parasol wing 1 x	2
168	8-149	Gotha	Single-seat low-wing training aircraft. 1 x Argus As 10	13
169	8-150	Gotha	Two-seat low-wing touring aircraft. 2 x Zundapp 092
170	8-151	Klemm	Touring aircraft	2
171	8-152	Klemm	Fighter
172	8-152	Focke-Wulf (Ta)	Single-seat fighter based on Fw 190. 1 x DB 603	67
173	8-153	Focke-Wulf (Ta)	Single-seat interceptor project based on the FW 190
174	8-185	Klemm	Not used.
175	8-154	Klemm	Not used.
176	8-154	Focke-Wulf (Ta)	Two-seat shoulder-wing night-fighter. 2 x Jumo 211	98
177	8-155	Klemm	Not used.
178	8-155	Messerschmitt	Single-seat fighter-bomber project later high altitude
179	8-155	Blohm und Voss	Development of the Me 155 high-altitude. 1 x DB 603	3
180	8-156	Fieseler "Storch"	High-wing short-take-off, 3-seat observ. 1 x Argus As 10	2650
181	8-157	Fieseler	Drone. 1 x Hirth HM 60	3
182	8-158	Fieseler	Single-seat low-wing record aircraft 1. x Hirth HM 506.
183	8-159	Focke-Wulf	Single-seat parasol-wing fighter. 1 x Jumo 210	3
184	8-160	Junkers	Dev. Ju 60: 8-seat low-wing airliner. 1 x BMW 132	46
185	8-161	BFW	Two-seat recce aircraft based on the Bf 110	2
186	8-162	BFW "Jaguar"	Three-seat fast bomber based on Bf 110	3
187	8-162	Heinkel "Salamander"	Single-seat interceptor. 1 x BMW 003	275
188	8-163	BFW	Three-seat liaison aircraft	3
189	8-163	Messerschmitt "Komet"	Single-seat short-range jet fighter. 1 x HWK 509.	470
190	8-164	Messer/Caudron (MeC)	High-wing multi-purposc aircraft project 2 x As 411
191	8-165	Messerschmitt	Project
192	8-166	Fieseler	Rocket-propelled target defence fighter.
193	8-166	Fieseler	Single-seat sports biplane Fi 166
194	8-167	Fieseler	Carrier naval biplane recce/bomber. 1 x DB 601	18
195	8-168	Fieseler	Project
196	8-169	Fieseler	Project
197	8-170	Heinkel	He 70 dev. for Hungary. 1 x Gnöme-Rhöne 14K	18
198	8-171	Heinkel	Project
199	8-172	Heinkel	He 72 development	14
200	8-173	Heinkel	Project

Snautzer01 · Jan 12, 2022

201	8-174	Heinkel	Project		8-166
202	8-175	Bloch	French Recce aircraft. 2 x Gnöme-Rhöne GR 14N	200
203	8-176	Heinkel	World's first rocket-engined aircraft. 1 x Walter rocket	1	8-167
204	8-177	Heinkel "Greif"	Mid-wing heavy bomber. 2 x DB 606 or DB 610	1176	8-168
205	8-178	Heinkel	World's first pure jet aircraft. 1 x Heinkel HeS 3	2
206	8-179	Heinkel	Project		8-169
207	8-180	Bücker "Student"	Two-seat low-wing training aircraft. 1 x Zundapp 092	19	8-170
208	8-181	Bücker "Bestmann"	Side-by-side low-wing trainer. 1 x Hirth HM 500	2689	8-171
209	8-182	Bücker "Kornett"	Single-seat advanced trainer. 1 x BUM 700	5	8-172
210	8-183	Bücker	Project		8-173
211	8-183	Focke-Wulf (Ta)	Single-seat fighter project. 1 x Heinkel HeS 011 jet		8-174
212	8-184	Flettner	Two-seat experimental autogyro. 1 x Siemens Sh 14		8-175
213	8-185	Flettner	Single-seat experimental helicopter. I x Siemens Sh 14
214	8-185	Junkers	Four-engined development of Ju 86		8-176
215	8-186	Focke-Wulf	Single-seat autogyro. 1 x Argus As 10	2	8-177
216	8-186	Junkers	Ju 86 development		8-178
217	8-187	Focke-Wulf 'Falke'	Heavy fighter. 2 x DB 600 or Jumo 210	14	8-179
218	8-187	Junkers	Projected improved version of Ju87		8-180
219	8-188	Junkers	Med/Bomb, improved Ju 88. 2 x Jumo 213 or BMW 801	1618	8-181
220	8-189	Focke-Wulf	Three-seat twin-boom recce aircraft. 2 x Argus As 410	849	8-182
221	8-190	Focke-Wulf	S/S fighter/ground-attack aircraft. 1 x BMW 801/Jumo 213	20001	8-183
222	8-191	Focke-Wulf	Four-seat medium bomber mid-wing. 2 x DB 606, BMW 801	6	8-184
223	8-192	AGO	Low-wing comms aircraft. 2 x Argus As 10	10	8-185
224	8-193	DFS	Experimental aircraft 4. 1 x Argus As 10		8-186
225	8-194	DFS	Experimental delta-wing rocket fighter. 1 x Walter rocket	1
226	8-195	Arado	I mproved version of Ar 95. 1 x BMW 132	3	8-187
227	8-196	Arado	Two-seat low-wing carrier recce floatplane. 1 x BMW 132	526
228	8-197	Arado	Single-seat biplane shipboard fighter. 1 x BMW 132	3	8-188
229	8-198	Arado	Three-seat mid-wing recce prototype. 1 x Bramo 323		8-189
230	8-199	Arado	Two-seat floatplane training aircraft. 1 x Argus As 410	35	8-190
231	8-200	Focke-Wulf "Condor"	Low-wing airliner and recce. 4 x Bramo 323	280	8-191
232	8-201	Siebel	High-wing liaison-obs. plane. 1 x Argus As 10 as pusher	2	8-192
233	8-202	Siebel	Two-seat low-wing sports aircraft. 1 x Salmson 7 etc.	66	8-193
234	8-284	Focke-Achgelis	Flying Crane helicopter. 2 x BMW 801	1
234	8-203	Siebe]	Project		8-194
235	8-285	Flettner	Helicopter project. 1 x Argus AS 10C		8-195
235	8-204	Siebel	Multi-purpose training aircraft. 2 x Argus As 411	1175	8-196
236	8-206	Focke-Wulf	Transport aircraft. 2 x Bramo 323		8-197
236	8-286	Junkers	Six-engined bomber project based on Ju 86 and Ju I86		8-198
237	8-287	Junkers	Heavy jet bomber. 6 x BMW 003 jets	2	8-199
237	8-208	Messerschmitt	Bf 108 development. 1 x Argus AS 10	8	8-200
238	8-288	Junkers	Four-seat medium bomber. 2 x DB 610, Jumo 222	25
238	8-209	Messerschmitt	Two modeln single-seat fighters. 1 x DB 601	4+5	8-201
239	8-289	Junkers	Project		8-202
239	8-210	Messerschmitt	Two-seat fighter/bomb/recce aircraft. 2 x DB 601/DB605	483	8-203
240	8-211	Hütter	High-altitude recce version of the He 219.
240	8-290	Junkers	Long-range trans/recce based on Ju 90. 4 x BMW 801	48	8-204
241	8-211	Focke-Wulf (Ta)	Original design of Ta 154.		8-205
241	8-291	Henschel	Project		8-206
242	8-212	Dornier	Amphibian for Switzerland. 1 x pusher engine		8-207
242	8-292	Henschel	Project		8-208
243	8-292	Argus	Small recce aircraft AS 292	>100	8-209
243	8-212	Zlin (Czech)	Light aircraft	50
244	8-214	Dornier	Fifty-two-seat long-range flying boat. 8 x DB 603	1	8-210
244	8-293	Henschel	Air-launched anti-shipping missile. 1 x HWK 507 rocket	7295	8-211
245	8-215	Dornier	Medium recce bomber based on Do 177; 2 x DB601	105
245	8-294	Henschel	Air-launched anti-shipping missile. 2 x HWK 507 rockets	-	8-212
246	8-216	Dormer	Forty-four-seat transport flying boat. 6 x DB 603
246	8-295	Henschel	Air-launched missile based on Hs 293, enlarged	50	8-213
247	8-217	Dornier	Medium bomber 2 x BMW 801 or DB 603	1770	8-214
247	8-296	Henschel	Air-launched missile project. 1 x Schmidding rocket		8-215
248	8-296	Arado	Projected improved version of the Ar 96		8-216
248	8-218	Dornier	Project		8-217
249	8-219	Heinkel "Uhu" (owl)	Three-seat night-fighter mid-wing. 2 x DB 603.	294
249	8-297	Henschel	Original designation for Hs 117 missile		8-218
250	8-220	Heinkel	Project		8-219
250	8-298	Henschel	Air-to-air missile. 1 x Schmidding 543 rocket engine	300	8-220

Snautzer01 · Jan 12, 2022

251	8-221	Dornier	Project
251	8-299	Junkers	Project
252	8-222	Blohm und Voss "Wiking"	120-seat flying boat/recce/airliner. 6 x Bramo 323	12
252	8-300	Focke-Wulf	Forty-five-seat airliner. 4 x Jumo 222
253	8-301	DFS	Project
253	8-223	Focke-Achgelis	Six-seat twin-rotor helicopter. 1 x Bramo 323 radial	19
254	8-224	Focke-Achgelis "Libelle"	Two-seat sports helicopter. 1 x Argus As 10 project
254	8-309	Messerschmitt	Single-seat fighter, nosewheel u/c. 1 x DB 603	4
255	8-225	Focke-Achgelis	Rotary-wing transport based on DFS 230 fuselage
255	8-310	Messerschmitt	I ligh-altitude version of Me 210. 4-bladed propellers	1
256	8-225	AGO	Project for a remote-cont. fighter to compete with Me 210
256	8-313	Caproni	Italian twin-engine training aircraft 2 x IF DRC 35	165
257	8-226	Blohm und Voss	Missile project. Developed into BV 246	3
257	8-315	Ilenschel	Missile project
258	8-317	Dornier	improved version of Do 217. 2 x DB 610	6
258	8-226	Horten	Ho VII tailless aircraft. 2 x Argus AS 10
259	8-318	Dornier	Development of Do 24	1
259	8-227	FG	Scale mode] built in connection with the BV 238
260	8-319	Heinkel	Version of He 219. 2 x DB 609	-
260	8-227	Horten	All-wing 2-seat trainer. 2 x Argus As 10 as pushers
261	8-228	DFS	Extremely-high-altitude recce. 1 x Walter 509 rocket	2
261	8-230	Messerschmitt	Project
262	8-229	Gö/Horten (Ho IX)	Twin-jet combat aircraft, flying wing. 2 x Jumo 004	3
262	8-321	Messerschmitt "Gigant"	Heavy glider transport, towed by Ju 90 etc.	201
263	8-322	Junkers "Mammut"	Heavy glider transport competed with Me 321	2
263	8-230	Morane Saulnier (French)	Training aircraft	170
264	8-230	DFS	Transport Glider	1601
264	8-323	Messerschmitt	Version of the Me 321, 6 x Gnome-Rhone 14N/R	198
265	8-231	Arado	Collapsible/recce to fly from U-boats. 1 x Hirth HM 504	6
265	8-323Z	Messerschmitt	Projected version of Me 323.6 x Jumo 2 I 1
266	8-232	Arado "Tatzelwurm"	Heavy transport. 2 or 4 x Bramo 323/BMW/801	32
266	8-325	Focke-Wulf	Project
267	8-233	Arado	Ten-seat comms flying boat. 2 x Gnöme-Rhöne GR 14	1
267	8-328	Messerschmitt	Fighter-bomber. 2 x Argus As 014 pulse jets	10
268	8-234	Arado "Blitz"	Single-seat light bomber shoulder wing. 2 x Jumo 004	306
268	8-329	Messerschmitt	Me 265 development. 2 x DB 603
269	8-330	Focke-Achgclis	Rotorkite for use from U-boats for reconnaissance	200
269	8-236	Focke-Achgelis	Project
270	8-237	Blohm und Voss	S/S asymetric dive-bomber project. Dev of 141. 1 x DB801
270	8-331	DFS	Troop-carrying glider	1
271	8-238	Blohm und Voss	Ten-crew very heavy transport flying boat. 6 x DB 603	3
271	8-332	Dl-S	Experimental glider	1
272	8-333	Fieseler	Transport with cargo pack. 2 x Bramo 323	3
272	8-238	Focke-Wulf	Long-range bomber. 4 x BMW 801
273	8-239	Arado	Project
273	8-334	Arado	Project
274	8-240	Arado	Two-seat multi-role combat aircraft. 2 x BMW 801/DB 603	15
274	8-335	Dornier "Pfeil"	Single-seat heavy fighter. 2 x DB 603, one as pusher	97
275	8-336	Focke-Achgelis	Powered version of the Fa 330
275	8-241	Gotha	Four-seat comms a/c Low wing twin tail. 2 x Hirth HM	1
276	8-242	Gotha	Twin-boom transport glider. 2 Crew+23 troops	1.528
276	8-337	Junkers	Project
277	8-339	Flettner	Recce helicopter. 1 x BMW 132	1
277	8-243	Messerschmitt	Project
278	8-340	Arado	Medium bomber project, twin boom. 2 x Jumo 222
278	8-244	Gotha	Powered version of the Go 242. 2 x Gnöme-Rhöne 14	177
279	8-341	Berlin (B)	Berlin B.9 experimental prone-pilot dive-bomber	1
279	8-245	Gotha
280	8-342	Doblhoff (WNF)	One-two-seat Experimental helicopter. 1 x Siemens Sh 14	4
280	8-245	Heinkel	Heinkel I le 45 development
281	8-246	Blohm und Voss	Air launched anti-shipping missile. 1 rocket engine	407
281	8-343	Heinke!	Fast bomber and GP aircraft. 4 x Jumo 004	1
282	8-248	Junkers	Original designation for Me 263	1
282	8-344	Kramer (X)	Kramer X-4 air-to-air guided missile. 1 x BMW 548
283	8-249	Focke-Wulf	Heavy transport project. 6 x Jumo 222
283	8-345	Gotha	Transport glider with 2 x Argus As 014 pulse jets	1
284	8-346	DFS	Supersonic plane, swept wings. 2 x HWK 509	1
284	8-250	Horten	Ho III sailplane
285	8-349	Bachem (Ba) "Natter"	VTOL interceptor single-seat short-range. 1 x HWK 509	50
285	8-250	Blohm und Voss	Heavy bomber. 6 x DB 603
286	8-251	Horten	Ho IV sailplane
286	8-352	Junkers "Herkules"	Heavy transport aircraft. 3 x Bramo 323	45
287	8-356	Fieseler	Project based on the Fi 156
287	8-252	Horten	Ho V Flying wing. 2 x Hirth H M 60
288	8-252	Junkers	Thirty-five-seat transport/airliner, 3 x Jumo 211, Bramo 323	22
288	8-356	Junkers	Project
289	8-253	Horten	Ho VI flying wing
289	8-362	Messerschmitt	Project for a jet au liner. 6 x BMW 003
290	8-253	Fieseler "Spatz"	Two-seat light Sports aircraft, 2 x Zundapp 092	9
290	8-368	Messerschmitt	Project
291	8-370	Arado	Project
291	8-254	Horten	Ho VII sailplane
292	8-381	Arado	Bomber
292	8-254	Focke-Wulf (Ta)	I mproved version of Ta 154 project
293	8-256	Fieseler	I mproved version of Fi 156, five-scat	6
293	8-388	Junkers	Med bomber/night-fighter based on Ju 188. 2 x BMW 801
294	8-390	Junkers	Six-engined version of Ju 290. 6 x BMW 801	106
294	8-257	Skoda Kauba	Single-seat fighter trainer. 1 x Argus As 10	8
295	8-259	Focke-Wulf	Project. Frontjäger
295	8-391	Focke-Wulf	Project based on the Fw 391	2
296	8-396	Arado	Training aircraft based an the Ar 96
296	8-261	Messerschmitt "Adolphine"	Three-seat ultra-Jong-ränge recce. 2 x DB 610	3
297	8-261	Focke-Wulf	Long-range recce aircraft. 4 x BMW 801
297	8-400	Tank	Heavy bomber with 6 x BMW 801
298	8-409	Messerschmitt	Development of Me 309
298	8-262	Messerschmitt "Schwalbe"	S/S fighter-bomber low swept wings. 2 x Jumo 004	1453
299	8-410	Me "Hornisse"	Destroyer with 2 x DB 603	1013
299	8-263	Messerschmitt	I mproved version Me 163. 1 x Walter I IWK 509	1
300	8-417	Dornier	Development of Do 217 bomber
300	8-264	Messerschmitt	Six-seat long-range heavy bomber. 4 x Jumo 211	3

Snautzer01 · Jan 12, 2022

301	8-419	Heinkel	Development of He 219 night-fighter
301	8-265	Messerschmitt	Single-seat tailless fighter. 2 x DB 603 as pushcrs
302	8-265	Flettner	Single-seat experimental helicopter. 1 x Siemens Sh 14	6
302	8-423	ZSO	Projected development of Me 323
303	8-266	Focke-Achgelis	Improved version of the Fa 223
303	8-430	Kalk	Development of Go 242 glider	20
304	8-432	Arado	Development of Ar 232 jet bomber	1
304	8-267	Gotha	Project
305	8-435	Dornier	Do 335 version with 2 x Jumo 222
305	8-268	Junkers	Mistel project, lower component twin jets
306	8-440	Arado	Ar 240 development	4
306	8-269	Focke-Achgelis	VTOL single-seat fighter, rocket and rarnjets	1
307	8-445	Caudron (French)	Small multi-purpose aircraft. 2 x Renault 6Q	690
307	8-270	Heinkel	l mproved version of He 70. 1 x DB 601	2
308	9-446	DFS	Project
308	8-271	Weser	Small amphibian. Argus 2 x AS 10
309	8-272	Heinkel
309	8-488	Junkers	Development of Ju 388 with 4 x BMW 801	6
310	8-272	Focke-Wulf	Project
310	8-491	Focke-Wulf	Development of Fw 391
311	8-500	Arado	Medium bomber with 2 x DB engines
311	8-273	Heinkel
312	8-274	Heinkel	High-alt heavy bomber based on He 177. 4 x DB603	2
312	8-500	Heinkel	Developed into He 162
313	8-275	Heinkel
313	8-509	Messerschmitt	Me 309 version
314	8-276	Heinkel
314	8-510	Messerschmitt	Development of Me 410: fighter-bomber
315	8-277	Heinkel	Heavy bomber based on the He 177. 4 x DB 603	3
315	8-519	Heinkel	Bomber with 1 x DB 619 (like He 119)
316	8-520	Dewoitine (French)	Fighter. 1 x HS	116
316	8-278	Heinkel
317	8-279	Heinkel
317	8-523	ZSO	Projected Me 323 development. 6 x Jumo 222
318	8-530	Arado	Twin-boom fighter. 2 x DB 603G
318	8-280	Heinkel	Single-seat low-wing fighter. 2 x HeS 001 jets	+9
319	8-532	Arado	Ar 232 development with 4 x BMW 018
319	8-281	Heinkel
320	8-534	Avia	Czech fighter trainer
320	8-281	Focke-Wulf (Ta)	Project
321	8-535	Dornier	Do 335 development with one turbojet
321	8-282	Flettner Kolibri	Single or two-seat helicopter. 1 x Siemens Sh 14	24
322	8-555	Arado	Tailless bomber 2-3 BMW 018
322	8-283	Focke-Wulf (Ta)	Single-seat interceptor, twin ramjets
323	8-561	Arado	Twin-engined destroyer
323	8-283	Focke-Achgelis	Improved version of Fa 223 with retractable undercarriage	1
324	8-580	Arado	Jet Fighter with one BMW 003A
325	8-581	Arado	Tailless jet Fighter with one HS 011
326	8-582	DFS	High-altitude research aircraft
327	8-607	Arado	Tailless jet fighter
328	8-609	Messerschmitt	Twin Me 309 fighter
329	8-632	Arado	Ar 232 development
330	8-635	Junkers	Twin Do 335 recce aircraft
			or Bramo 322

Snautzer01 · Jan 12, 2022

MiTasol · Jan 17, 2022

Crimea_River said:
I believe that the RLM controlled the issue of the 3 digit blocks to the various manufacturers as well so that you could not have, for example, a Ju88 and an He88. All of the numbers are unique with a very few exceptions. The 109 and 190 numbers are purely coincidence.

EDIT: on a side note, the numbers used by the manufacturers were not always used chronologically. Kurt Tank (Ta) first used the 154, then the 153, and finally the 152.

I had thought the same but GrauGeist blew that theory away in post 12.

My assumption was based on the numbering of the LW manuals - eg

D.(Luft)T.2052 for the Ju 52

D.(Luft) T.2109 for the Bf 109

D.(Luft)T.2196 for the Ar 196

etc

I do have to agree and disagree with GrauGeist's post 14 however. In some original German documents, I noticed many times, no spacing between the prefix and the numerals, (i.e.: Ju87, StG44, BK3,7 and so on) and then sometimes there appeared to be a space.
In all the small collection of LW manuals I have the the LW used a space between the manufacturer and the number and again between the number and the model designation - Bf 109 G6/U4 - not Bf109G6/U4. Obviously he has a better collection than I do but maybe the difference is LW vs manufacturer?

GrauGeist · Jan 17, 2022

MiTasol said:
I had thought the same but GrauGeist blew that theory away in post 12.

My assumption was based on the numbering of the LW manuals - eg

D.(Luft)T.2052 for the Ju 52

D.(Luft) T.2109 for the Bf 109

D.(Luft)T.2196 for the Ar 196

etc

I do have to agree and disagree with GrauGeist's post 14 however. In some original German documents, I noticed many times, no spacing between the prefix and the numerals, (i.e.: Ju87, StG44, BK3,7 and so on) and then sometimes there appeared to be a space.
In all the small collection of LW manuals I have the the LW used a space between the manufacturer and the number and again between the number and the model designation - Bf 109 G6/U4 - not Bf109G6/U4. Obviously he has a better collection than I do but maybe the difference is LW vs manufacturer?

The spacing could have been the way the paperwork was written at the time, too.

One thing that is a constant, is the hyphen that separates a variant by sub type, like Ju88C-4 or Me262A-1a.

The spacing between the manufacturer's prefix is perhaps one of those things that no one payed attention to at the time, so in the end, I suppose there's really no right or wrong way.

As it is, I don't have my books or computers (still), but here's screenshot of a Focke-Wolfe drawing of V13 for the Fw190.

Note the text in the upper left corner:

Now take a look at the upper right text on a Messerschmitt drawing for the Bf109's canopy:

Denniss · Jan 17, 2022

What's so special in the way V13 is written?

GrauGeist · Jan 17, 2022

Denniss said:
What's so special in the way V13 is written?

No spaces: Fw190

Messerschmitt, on the otherhand, is: BF 109

nuuumannn · Jan 17, 2022

Engineman said:
A few words about consistency in terms and nomenclature. Often, I will be referring to specific details about aircraft and engines from original documentation.

This is true, but as demonstrated with the Bf 109, the manufacturer was not super strict when it came to its own nomenclature surrounding the type. When writing professionally, I tend to go with the most widely accepted form of a designation and stick to national standards that are used in publications, such as "R.101" and "G.50" -note the period, in use to designate British and Italian aircraft, "Ki-43", "La-5FN" and "P-47", hyphen for Japanese, USSR and US aircraft and of course no hyphen or period for German. As I mentioned though, consistency is the key. From a university perspective, reference material cited in a research document has to be peer reviewed, so that limits what can be used.

Engineman said:
One point about the Bf109,

The problem with Messerschmitt is the lack of standardisation within and out with the company, so it's best to pick one and stick with it. I'm sure no one should criticise if an author chooses to use Me 109 instead of Bf 109.

MiTasol · Jan 17, 2022

GrauGeist said:
The spacing could have been the way the paperwork was written at the time, too.

One thing that is a constant, is the hyphen that separates a variant by sub type, like Ju88C-4 or Me262A-1a.

A query on that. Given I have never had an education on how the LW did their version of block numbers can you please break these down for the benefit of those under educated like me. The E-B and E-N are a combination that I had never noticed before (which probably means my brain was not switched on at the time)

GrauGeist said:
The spacing between the manufacturer's prefix is perhaps one of those things that no one payed attention to at the time, so in the end, I suppose there's really no right or wrong way.

I suspect you probably got 100% with that line

MiTasol · Jan 17, 2022

nuuumannn said:
From a university perspective, reference material cited in a research document has to be peer reviewed, so that limits what can be used.

For one psych paper I did a comparison of the top five "experts" in the field and got an A+
My paper basically went
on the subject of x author a says black is black but author b says black is white and c, d and e say different shades of grey
on the subject of y author b says black is black but author e says black is white and the others say different shades of grey
on the subject of z author c says black is black but author a says black is white and the others say different shades of grey
What I did not say was that, to me, the whole unit was an absolute crock of crap.

German Fighter Nomenclature

Airman

Tech Sergeant

Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung

2nd Lieutenant

Tech Sergeant

Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung

Tech Sergeant

Honourably banned

Honourably banned

Honourably banned

Honourably banned

Honourably banned

Honourably banned

1st Lieutenant

Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung

Tech Sergeant

Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung

Major

1st Lieutenant

1st Lieutenant

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