Girls and Aircraft - Volume II

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Both, plane and girl are very shiny!o_Oo_Oo_O Braniff girl:
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WASP ferry pilots at Lockbourne Army Airfield, Ohio 1943
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The four female pilots leaving their ship, USAAF B-17 Pistol Packin Mama at Lockbourne AAF, Ohio, are members of a group of WASPS who have been trained to ferry the B-17 Flying Fortresses. L to R are Frances Green, Margaret (Peg) Kirchner, Ann Waldner and Blanche Osborn. The Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASP) was a civilian women pilots' organization, whose members were United States federal civil service employees. Members of WASP became trained pilots who tested aircraft, ferried aircraft and trained other pilots. Their purpose was to free male pilots for combat roles during WWII. Despite various members of the armed forces being involved in the creation of the program, the WASP and its members had no military standing. WASP was preceded by the Women's Flying Training Detachment (WFTD) and the Women's Auxiliary Ferrying Squadron (WAFS). Both were organized separately in September 1942. They were pioneering organizations of civilian women pilots, who were attached to the United States Army Air Forces to fly military aircraft during WWII. On August 5, 1943, the WFTD and WAFS merged to create the WASP organization. They flew over 60 million miles; transported every type of military aircraft; towed targets for live anti-aircraft gun practice; simulated strafing missions and transported cargo. Thirty-eight WASP members lost their lives and one disappeared while on a ferry mission, her fate still (2019) unknown. In 1977, for their WWII service, the members were granted veteran status, and in 2009 awarded the Congressional Gold Medal. USAF, 1940s.
 
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I'll be the killjoy. No women pilots. Don't care about the exceptions and anomalies Hanna Reitsch or the Soviet Nightwitches (nearly all were shot down anyway). I have the same opinion of female race drivers, Sabine Schimdt was mediocre. She was no von Trips, Lauda, von Brauchitsch, Rosemeyer or Cariocola.
Just consider- of the Global Firepower top 20 military powers- only a handful have female pilots- most a show of token inclusion- and of the G7- none but the US are facing any possibility of a real war, especially against China, or Pakistan, or Iran.
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I've personally flown in combat with several female pilots. One of the best pilots I have flown with is a woman. She now is in command of her own BN. Women are just as capable of flying and doing so in combat. The belief they cannot is out-dated, closed-minded, archaic, and quite honestly ignorant.
 
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I don't care about your dubious claims. Thank you Herrzog Hubert another of the famous Merkel era besserwisser und arbiter morum to police errant thoughts. I don't care what either of you think- the evidence is clear, and in plain sight, no matter how odious.
Using a military to enforce a moral utopia is stupid and probably the real reason the US loses every war. How many female fighter pilots in the Luftwaffe today? Oh yes, Germany is part of NATO and facing no real tangible threat other than imported terrorism.
This thread is just an hypocrisy- behaving as if each poster was a champion of female egalitarian and beyond female objectification, while essentially creating a 1970s Snap-On calendar (objectifying).
Is Russia putting women in the Su57's? No. Is India putting women in their Tejas or Su35? No. China same? No. South Korea their IFX? No. Is Israel even doing anything major with their female pilots- no all their crack pilots are male.

New here, aren't you? Don't let the door hit you in the face on your way out...

Even if your "facts" were facts, your tone is totally (and unnecessarily) insulting.

And I don't care about your dubious opinions...

Cheers,


Dana
 
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I don't care about your dubious claims. Thank you Herrzog Hubert another of the famous Merkel era besserwisser und arbiter morum to police errant thoughts. I don't care what either of you think- the evidence is clear, and in plain sight, no matter how odious.
Using a military to enforce a moral utopia is stupid and probably the real reason the US loses every war. How many female fighter pilots in the Luftwaffe today? Oh yes, Germany is part of NATO and facing no real tangible threat other than imported terrorism.
This thread is just an hypocrisy- behaving as if each poster was a champion of female egalitarian and beyond female objectification, while essentially creating a 1970s Snap-On calendar (objectifying).
Is Russia putting women in the Su57's? No. Is India putting women in their Tejas or Su35? No. China same? No. South Korea their IFX? No. Is Israel even doing anything major with their female pilots- no all their crack pilots are male.

You are the weakest link. Auf Wiedersehen...
 
I would point out info from studies I read in the 1960s, women have, in general, better eye to hand coordination. A Not long after I read this, I had the opportunity to teach two young women to shoot, both of them having never held or shot a firearm before. By the end of the day, both could shoot far more accurately than I could and I have marksman medals. They had no bad shooting habits to overcome. Studies show women are better pilots for long range, long hour flights because they tire less. It has to do with their physical structure. The women's center of gravity is lower in their frame than men's. A man's CG is closer to his shoulders which causes more muscle strain to sit upright for long periods while the female GC is closer to her hips. I remember a sports car magazine from the 60' or 70' had an article from a British survey that concluded the best British drivers were 19 year old girls in sports cars. (I looked, but could not find one.) To be fair, my bias may be because I have three daughters, a grand daughter and a great grand daughter. Somewhere, I think in this thread, one can find my second daughter with my .44 magnum using up my ammunition.
 
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