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Argus was in Reserve 1932-36. At that point she was given an extensive refit as a Queen Bee (remote controlled aircraft used for fleet gunnery practice usually a Tiger Moth) Carrier which completed in Aug 1938. By Aug 1939 she was back in Reserve to be brought forward in Oct as a training carrier to release Furious, which had been filling the role based out of Rosyth since May 1939, for an operational role. At that point she went to the Med to work with various deck landing training units based in the South of France.I was thinking more about the Eagle and the Hermes.
Argus was pretty much a training ship if she was in commission at all in the 1930s.
The Eagle and Hermes were 5-6 kts slower and had shorter decks. I don't know if at some point they just wrote them off (even if just in their own minds) when they figuring out the landing speeds and flight deck requirements for the new aircraft.
Isn't the Abyssinia Crisis very fundament in defining FAA fighter / strike aircraft: GB pulled their fleet out of Eastern Mediterranean after Italian Air Force overflew RN ships on way from Italy to Ethiopia. And didn't Italian Navy light forces penetrate RN screen about same time?I fully understand why the decision to do this uniformly across carrier aircraft, and that to a degree makes sense when dealing with biplanes that you simply couldn't put into a 60 plus degree dive carrying 1,000 lb or more load. In hindsight, and purely in hindsight, the decision to combine roles was not a practicable one, even if it might have appeared sensible at the time. It might have stayed that way too, if it weren't for the necessities of the coming war, which, granted, back in the early 1930s the Air Ministry certainly couldn't foresee.
The problem was that the inadequacies of this decision became all too apparent because of this war and even beforehand. As mentioned (lots of times!) before, the admiralty questioned the wisdom of not having a modern single-seat fighter specification before the fighter/dive bomber Skua entered service in 1937, which presages the fact that once war became a reality, the shortfall in capability was plainly evident. We also know the efforts the admiralty went to, to get a decent single-seat fighter before and after it took control of the FAA in 1939. Also, the trouble with the Barracuda was clear evidence that it was too big and too complicated for its own good. Marcel Lobelle could design good, useful aeroplanes, but the combination of requirements made it a bit of a mess and it's not surprising it was not his best work.
Overall, the decision to combine disparate roles in one aircraft, regardless of the practicalities of doing so, was the single most important factor that led to the lack of capability within the FAA in the early years of the war.
So, I see all the "Admiralty as really wanting single seat fighter" as after the fact @$$ covering.
Isn't the Abyssinia Crisis very fundament in defining FAA fighter / strike aircraft: G
Had funding, labour, resources and a yard been available could the RN have replaced both Hermes and Eagle with two new builds or one larger build in the 1930s under the naval treaties? Something capable of 30 knots with thirty-six aircraft, perhaps a fast HMS Unicorn, Ark Royal-light or British equal to USS Wasp (CV-7)?During the 1930s Eagle and Hermes had more or less rotated on tours on the China Station, and time in refit and/or Reserve.
Not flight deck space as in the USN, but hangar deck space.
Argus, Eagle, Furious, Hermes, Langley and Hōshō were designated experimental carriers under WNT and could be replaced at any time. That's more/less 70k tons of tonnage, plus the 20k still available unused under WNT. Its much more political will - the yards, the labour were available and funding could have been.Had funding, labour, resources and a yard been available could the RN have replaced both Hermes and Eagle with two new builds or one larger build in the 1930s under the naval treaties? Something capable of 30 knots with thirty-six aircraft, perhaps a fast HMS Unicorn, Ark Royal-light or British equal to USS Wasp (CV-7)?
Three Ark Royals in the works 1936-39 may be the impetus needed to get to better aircraft. How does the treaty system work, can Argus, Eagles and Hermes stay in service until the new builds enter service?Argus, Eagle and Hermes provide enough for 2 additional Ark Royals with unused tonnage being used for Ark as per historic.
The Illustrious, Victorious, Formidable and Indomitable were all laid down in 1937 which means the plans had been drawn up in 1936. How much more impetus do you want?Three Ark Royals in the works 1936-39 may be the impetus needed to get to better aircraft.
Two more fast fleets to replace Argus, Hermes and Eagle, please. Ideally by the mid-1930s so as not to disrupt later interwar builds.How much more impetus do you want?
Three Ark Royal in the worksThree Ark Royals in the works 1936-39 may be the impetus needed to get to better aircraft. How does the treaty system work, can Argus, Eagles and Hermes stay in service until the new builds enter service?
Hi outside the box here but in the time period would the Westland Whirlwind have been a contender? Seems to fit the time period . View attachment 694564
The Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero was a very capable torpedo bomber.The Italians didn't have any torpedo bombers when the Fulmar went into service
The USN had one for trials, #P6994.Only if you get it off a carrier deck and back on the carrier deck in a condition to take off again.
Single use aircraft are frowned on in most navies.
Only if you get it off a carrier deck and back on the carrier deck in a condition to take off again.
Single use aircraft are frowned on in most navies.
One wonders what they did with it.The USN had one for trials, #P6994.