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I agree 100%..... The -51D won the battles because of sheer #'s of aircraft...... As has been pointed out many times here, how can 4 alert -109's possibly combat 30 -51D's??? Prayer and a good chute......
But it also goes both ways.... An excellent -51D pilot could easily handle an equally skilled pilot in a -109.... Combat conditions vary, and so do pilots instincts and reactions...
Intereseting choice... I would go with the -190D-9 as a pure fighter, and the -51D as an escort.......
Thats why the greatest pilots that lived through the war should be especially regarded by people such as ourselves......
I agree once again, but some would add that the Spit IX was the better of the Spits......
100% Correct....Considdering what the LW had to cope with, they did better than the Allies if you ask me. And the 109 remained more than competitive to the very end.
OK gotcha.....No no no, I meant in this Clash between the P-51 and 109
The IX was considered the better dogfighter, and more agile of the 2... I also agree with u that the XIV was the better aircraft...I don't see why though, as the Spit XIV 'was' concluded better by the British themselves.
100% correct, IMO and Urs as well.. Some will have different opinions on this.....Amongst all German fighters the Dora-9 was better than the 109 G-10 though.
The IX was considered the better dogfighter, and more agile of the 2... I also agree with u that the XIV was the better aircraft...
But.... Many pilots preferred the IX to the XIV, but I think that it was probably more so becasue of mission parameters and pilot preference than actual performance differences....
100% correct, IMO and Urs as well..
Thats why the greatest pilots that lived through the war should be especially regarded by people such as ourselves......
the lancaster kicks ass said:Thats why the greatest pilots that lived through the war should be especially regarded by people such as ourselves......
'ang on, can i just say that ANY fighter pilot that lived through the war should be "specailly regarded" the greats should get no more regard than a guy with one kill, they were all up there fighting, they are all equally deserving of our "regard".........
The Fw 190D was not superiror to the G-10 though..............
The G-10 had a better high altitidue performance and was faster in the haul out-straight shot.
Udet said:Der Adler:
What on earth makes you think i was referring to you when commenting on the allied propaganda over fed ghoulies?
Perhaps i should have added a "you know who you are" to my idea.
Udet said:Do not misunderstand the core of my comment: i see the Bf109, throughout its entire chain of evolution, as one of the greatest fighters of WWII. Or did i ever anything like "combat with enemy fighters in the Bf 109 was piece of cake"?
Udet said:So there is footage showing German planes getting creamed by allied fighters? Pointless remark.
U mis-interpeted my meaning Lanc........ All pilots, dead or alive, who fought in that war should be held in high regard....nothing, it's just he made it sound like only aces/great pilots deserverd our "regards".....
Thats a better way of saying what I meant.....It's just that the aces naturally deserve some special recognition for their success.
Erich said:the G-10 becasue of it's speed and height was able to accept equal terms with the P-51 in aerial combat over the Reich but on 9 out of 10 combats on a regualr basis the P-51's by sheer numbers had the advantage as well as the altitidue already in the favour while the G-10's and Doras had to climb unequally to meet their opponent.
the Dora 9 used by JG 26 was to try and counter the RAF spitifire. The Dora/III./JG 54, flying high cover for Kommando Nowotny was to try and keep the P-51/Spitfire escorts at bay and away from the jet airfields.............they failed at doing so.
The Doras in II./JG 301 were to fly high cover for Fw 190A-8 and A-9's of I. and III./JG 301 when on anti-bomber missions.
JG 2's Doras were to try and counter anything that was Allied.
G-10's used by IV./JG 301 were to counter the US P-51's but failed.
G-10's on the Ost front used by JG's 51, and 52 dared to have any soviet a/c meet them on the higer plane and the Soviets suffered from it unless having a 10 to 1 superirority ratio which was common in the spring of 45.
G-10's were used by NJG 11 as a whole throughout late 1944 till war's end to counter high altitidue Mosquito's and then once called off of that to intercept Lancs/Halibags without the useage of radar to make Mossie nf interception that much harder..........
just some examples.