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The N version is credited with something on the order of 469 mph, but at 32000 feet. What reciprocating engine airplanes actually fought at 32000 feet? It may be useful to fly that high, but at what cost. "
Nearly true Timppa. Both the 51B/C and D with 1650-7 outclimbed the P-47D-10 and subsequent variants of the D up to ~ 30,000 feet - and combat between German fighters and most USAAF fighters was from 25,000 feet to the deck.. where the P-47 increasingly was at a disadvantage in both the horizontal and vertical with the contemporary German fighters as the altitude decreased after the initial contact.. as well as the P-51B/C and D.
P-47 Performance Tests
P-51 Mustang Performance
One man's account of P47 prowess in ACM and this was undoubtedly not at the P47s best altitude. Ralph Linnekin, "80 knots To Mach 2" " That useful altitude reference is in honor of the P47, which is difficult to categorise. The N version is credited with something on the order of 469 mph, but at 32000 feet. What reciprocating engine airplanes actually fought at 32000 feet? It may be useful to fly that high, but at what cost. The P47 was a very good airplane with a fine combat record. It was not, however lauded as a sterling performer. I contrast that high-altitude performance with contemporary reports that some versions of the P47 were dogs below 10000 feet. The airplane had a huge turbo supercharger that, by a combination of drag and mechanical power bleed off must have caused a substantial performance degradation at other than optimum altitudes. I know a couple of people in a Bearcat squadron who had an inadvertant encounter with four late model P47s one day in 1947. ( Inadvertant, hell. The Bearcats jumped them. What did you expect. The P47s were there.) It was no contest- partly because the Bearcat, below 10000 feet, could do absolutely everything better than anything else with a propeller and at low altitudes could out accelerate most contemporary jets. Nonetheless, our guys said that AD Skyraiders and even SB2C Helldivers flown aggressively had at other times given them as much trouble as the P47s."
Nearly true drgondog
I think the above sources you gave show that P-47D beats P-51D (V-1650-7) above 25,000ft.
I even checked a couple of sim charts. Any difference between P-47D (again w/ high activity prop and ADI) and German fighters was not big even at lower altitudes. (considering models Bf109-G6 and Fw190A-5/8, early 1944 timeframe).
Gabreski gave one account where he outclimbed 190's from practically stall speed.
(Sorry for P-47-ing the thread, again)...
The airplane [P-47]had a huge turbo supercharger that, by a combination of drag and mechanical power bleed off must have caused a substantial performance degradation at other than optimum altitudes.
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Why?A good point
The airplane had a huge turbo supercharger that, by a combination of drag and mechanical power bleed off must have caused a substantial performance degradation at other than optimum altitudes. I know a couple of people in a Bearcat squadron who had an inadvertant encounter with four late model P47s one day in 1947. ( Inadvertant, hell. The Bearcats jumped them. What did you expect. The P47s were there.) It was no contest- partly because the Bearcat, below 10000 feet, could do absolutely everything better than anything else with a propeller and at low altitudes could out accelerate most contemporary jets.
The late war P-47D could pull its maximum 2,600hp in WEP up to close to 24,000ft. Does someone know the WEP ratings for the other aircraft at that altitude?
Kind of comparing Apples to Oranges here aren't we?
And I would like to know just what "mechanical power bleed off" you are referring to for the P-47.
That was the whole point of the turbo charger, use the power of the exhaust to run the supercharger rather than powering the the first stage of the supercharger using crankshaft power.
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Why?