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Glider said:Do we know if these changes or at least some of them were made on later versions of the plane?
V-1710 said:About the intercooler redesign on the J models: They solved one problem, but created another. The increased capacity of the core intercoolers over the leading edge duct type lessened the likelyhood of detonation at high boost settings, but the redesigned oil coolers introduced at the same time were too efficient (for conditions in the ETO), and caused the motor oil to thicken at high altitudes, resulting in the 'Allison Time Bomb'. It took some time to figure out that poor oil flow due to cold temps. was causing engine failures (it sure wasn't happening in the South Pacific). Overall, there's no denying the P-38 was best suited for the Pacific, though I think given time the P-38 could have been just as effective in Europe.
wmaxt said:1. The Aleutions had temps of -150f ON THE GROUND. The were no complaints regarding heat in cockpits, engine/turbo problems etc.
2. A significant number of escort and strategic strike missions were flown above 20,000' in ALL THEATERS, its -30/-40f at that altitudes everywhere, there were no complaints of heat, or bad engines/turbos.
Check this mission out P-38s escorting Mossies to Singapore.
Timur-I-Leng: Mission over Singapore
Jank said:Report of Joint Fighter Conference 1944
P-38L (above I indicated that they tested a J model. My mistake) These are not criticisms in relation to other allied aircraft but just absolute criticisms recorded in an attempt to determine the negative attributes of the aircraft that ought to be addressed by aircraft manufacturers for future fighter design.
The report is what it is. Accept it. Reject it. But realize it is the CRITICAL evaluation of fighter and test pilots trying to determine the NEGATIVE aspects of this aircraft.
Cockpit (separate critical comments from fighter and test pilots)
Complicated
Controls inaccessible
Crowded
Instrument panel and windshield too far away
Many switches could not be reached with harness locked - including auto override switches
Position of tabs poor
No landing grear position indicator
Visibility not good
Combat Qualities (separate critical comments from fighter and test pilots)
Bad visibility to sides and down
Would rather have F4U or F6F for Pacific
Would not consider this a modern fighting aircraft
Poor coordinatin of control forces and effectiveness, combined with weak directional stability make it a poor gun platform, and its manueverability is so low as to preclude its use in modern combat.
Too complicated and full of gadgets - would make serviceability rating low
Too much mechanical equipment for one man to operate in combat
Jank said:Davparlr, combat pilots from both operating and non-operating branches (Army Air Force, Navy and Marines) flew all the aircraft and included the Royal Air Force, the Royal Navy and the Royal Canadian Air Force. In addition, there were test pilots and/or representatives from General Motors, Allison, Bell, Boeing, Chance Vought, Curtiss Wright, DeHaviland, General Electric, Goodyear, Grumman, Hamilton Standard Propellers, Lockheed, McDonnell, North American, Northrop, Packard, Pratt Whitney, Republic, Ryan, Sperry, Wright Aeronautical and United Aircraft Corp. NACA was also there.
syscom3 said:-150F? That must be a typo
Escort/bombing missions in the PTO and CBI were always done at far lower altitudes.
I posted informnation about that several months ago. That has to be the record for range for a fighter mission. Not even the 7th AF P47N's went on mission lenghts like that over Japan.
Jank said:wmaxt said, "Remember it was Doolittle's fighter of choice when he ventured over the lines!"
Just a thought. The allies were worried about friendly fire which is why they painted the invasion stripes on their planes. Such a concern over friendly fighters accidently shooting down a General (oops!) would be diminished further by flying a P-38 which can't be mistaken for a Bf-109 like a P-51 or an FW-190 like a P-47.
Here's a painting of Doolitle's flight over the beaches of Normandy. Robert Taylor, the artist, wrote the following account:
"Sitting around waiting for intelligence reports was not Jimmy Doolittle's style. He was going to see for himself what was happening! With Pat Partridge as wingman, they took off flying P-38 Lightnings – chosen for their distinctive profile in the hopes they would deter friendly fire – and climbed above the overcast."
On a similar note, when Japan surrendered, they were initially going to use P-47N's from the 318th to escort the surrender delegation which was flying in on two Betty's. It was decided that they would play it safe and use P-38's from the 8th and 49th groups instead as it would be highly unlikely to mistake the incoming formation as a Japanese attack.
~318thFighterGroup.IeShima.html
"Col. McAfee had to explain to his men why the 318th would not be escorting the surrender delegation to Ie Shima as originally planned. The bottom line was aircraft identification. Two "Betty" bombers escorted by a bunch of P-47s could easily be misidentified as an enemy formation. Indeed, Marine F4U Corsairs had tried to attack 318th Thunderbolts at least once (they outran them rather than engage). No one wanted a SNAFU and there was no Japanese plane that looked anything like a P-38 Lightning. So P-38s would escort the surrender delegation. Period."