Israel Military Exercise "Directed At Iran"

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  1. ToughOmbre

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    U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran

    WASHINGTON: Israel carried out a major military exercise earlier this month that American officials say appeared to be a rehearsal for a potential bombing attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

    Several American officials said the Israeli exercise appeared to be an effort to develop the military's capacity to carry out long-range strikes and to demonstrate the seriousness with which Israel views Iran's nuclear program.

    More than 100 Israeli F-16 and F-15 fighters participated in the maneuvers, which were carried out over the eastern Mediterranean and over Greece during the first week of June, American officials said.

    The exercise also included Israeli helicopters that could be used to rescue downed pilots. The helicopters and refueling tankers flew more than 900 miles, which is about the same distance between Israel and Iran's uranium enrichment plant at Natanz, American officials said.

    Israeli officials declined to discuss the details of the exercise. A spokesman for the Israeli military would say only that the country's air force "regularly trains for various missions in order to confront and meet the challenges posed by the threats facing Israel."

    But the scope of the Israeli exercise virtually guaranteed that it would be noticed by American and other foreign intelligence agencies. A senior Pentagon official who has been briefed on the exercise, and who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the political delicacy of the matter, said the exercise appeared to serve multiple purposes.

    One Israeli goal, the Pentagon official said, was to practice flight tactics, aerial refueling and all other details of a possible strike against Iran's nuclear installations and its long-range conventional missiles.

    A second, the official said, was to send a clear message to the United States and other countries that Israel was prepared to act militarily if diplomatic efforts to stop Iran from producing bomb-grade uranium continued to falter.

    "They wanted us to know, they wanted the Europeans to know, and they wanted the Iranians to know," the Pentagon official said. "There's a lot of signaling going on at different levels."

    Several American officials said they did not believe that the Israeli government had concluded that it must attack Iran and did not think that such a strike was imminent.

    Shaul Mofaz, a former Israeli defense minister who is now a deputy prime minister, warned in a recent interview with the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot that Israel might have no choice but to attack. "If Iran continues with its program for developing nuclear weapons, we will attack," Mofaz said in the interview published on June 6, the day after the unpublicized exercise ended. "Attacking Iran, in order to stop its nuclear plans, will be unavoidable."

    But Mofaz was criticized by other Israeli politicians as seeking to enhance his own standing as questions mount about whether the embattled Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, can hang on to power.

    Israeli officials have told their American counterparts that Mofaz's statement does not represent official policy. But American officials were also told that Israel had prepared plans for striking nuclear targets in Iran and could carry them out if needed.

    Iran has shown signs that it is taking the Israeli warnings seriously, by beefing up its air defenses in recent weeks, including increasing air patrols. In one instance, Iran scrambled F-4 jets to double-check an Iraqi civilian flight from Baghdad to Tehran.

    "They are clearly nervous about this and have their air defense on guard," a Bush administration official said of the Iranians.

    Any Israeli attack against Iran's nuclear facilities would confront a number of challenges. Many American experts say they believe that such an attack could delay but not eliminate Iran's nuclear program. Much of the program's infrastructure is buried under earth and concrete and installed in long tunnels or hallways, making precise targeting difficult. There is also concern that not all of the facilities have been detected. To inflict maximum damage, multiple attacks might be necessary, which many analysts say is beyond Israel's ability at this time.

    But waiting also entails risks for the Israelis. Israeli officials have repeatedly expressed fears that Iran will soon master the technology it needs to produce substantial quantities of highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons.

    Iran is also taking steps to better defend its nuclear facilities. Two sets of advance Russian-made radar systems were recently delivered to Iran. The radar will enhance Iran's ability to detect planes flying at low altitude.

    Mike McConnell, the director of national intelligence, said in February that Iran was close to acquiring Russian-produced SA-20 surface-to-air missiles. American military officials said that the deployment of such systems would hamper Israel's attack planning, putting pressure on Israel to act before the missiles are fielded.

    For both the United States and Israel, Iran's nuclear program has been a persistent worry. A National Intelligence Estimate that was issued in December by American intelligence agencies asserted that Iran had suspended work on weapons design in late 2003. The report stated that it was unclear if that work had resumed. It also noted that Iran's work on uranium enrichment and on missiles, two steps that Iran would need to take to field a nuclear weapon, had continued.

    In late May, the International Atomic Energy Agency reported that Iran's suspected work on nuclear matters was a "matter of serious concern" and that the Iranians owed the agency "substantial explanations."

    Over the past three decades, Israel has carried out two unilateral attacks against suspected nuclear sites in the Middle East. In 1981, Israeli jets conducted a raid against Iraq's nuclear plant at Osirak after concluding that it was part of Saddam Hussein's program to develop nuclear weapons. In September, Israeli aircraft bombed a structure in Syria that American officials said housed a nuclear reactor built with the aid of North Korea.

    The United States protested the Israeli strike against Iraq in 1981, but its comments in recent months have amounted to an implicit endorsement of the Israeli strike in Syria.

    Pentagon officials said that Israel's air forces usually conducted a major early summer training exercise, often flying over the Mediterranean or training ranges in Turkey where they practice bombing runs and aerial refueling. But the exercise this month involved a larger number of aircraft than had been previously observed, and included a lengthy combat rescue mission.

    Much of the planning appears to reflect a commitment by Israel's military leaders to ensure that its armed forces are adequately equipped and trained, an imperative driven home by the difficulties the Israeli military encountered in its Lebanon operation against Hezbollah.

    "They rehearse it, rehearse it and rehearse it, so if they actually have to do it, they're ready," the Pentagon official said. "They're not taking any options off the table."

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    Israel may wait untill Iran anounces they made a nuke. Then they destroy their facilities to make more nukes. They will have good justification to do it then.

    Maybe Iran will hide their one nuke, but if I was them I wouldn't use it. Israel has a lot more.

    But Israel if they are smart should destroy the nuke factory before it even makes a nuke.
     
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    Israel needs some B-52's or B-1's with "Bunker Buster" bombs... I'd like to see them develop a heavy bomber.

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    ...or once they own the airspace drop one out the back of a C-130 or strapped to a modified airliner (c.f., pegasus)
     
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    I don't think they need a heavy bomber, they've done just fine with fighter bombers.

    The scary thing is that it seems Bush would be more likely to bomb Iran if he felt the next president would not bomb them (Obama). If it seems we will not bomb them, I think Israel would have no problem with it.
     
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    Does anyone know why the Israelis in the recent war in lebanon was not using bunker busting ordinance against the dug in Hezbollah positions.

    I heard that they were actually using GP bombs and anti-personnel ordinance. Is that correct???

    PS no political statements please
     
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    History states that Israel seems to wholed off to just before what ever they go after is finished ..Then destroy it .. Not sure why they do that ...Maybe to eat up all the Bad Guys money and time ..And if they do bomb it I'll bet its that way...

    Israel will never let any Arab country ever have a nuke ...
     
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    Best I've read, parsifal, is there was no need for such penetration. Rather, the IDF was faced with a more sophisticated force than they imagined with an enemy that maximized troops dug in to make best use of infrantry anti-armor and command/control communications for maximum effectiveness. Quite a lesson learned for the IDF and heads have rolled. Also, the ability to launch long range rockets and field UAVs also proved to be quite frustrating for the IDF. Ofcourse you know that Iran special forces were instrumental in making these leaps and Isreal has not forgotten. While the rocket strikes were virtually nothing more than psychological in effect, the effectiveness of the anti-armor was alarming. And corrections are underway to address both.
     
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    thanks Matt, I guess the next questions are do they have bunker busters, and will they need them to take out the Iranian reactors? I have heard that these facilities are located in reinforced concrete holes 80 feet below the surface
     
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    B52 carpet bombing

    B52 Bomber

    :D

    I think they'd put some B-52s to good use. In addition bunker busting and carpet bombing, the B-52 is the premiere ant-tank weapon.

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    The quick answer is yes they do. And, again from what I have read, not only are the targets deep, they are dispersed and in long tunnels. Not sure what the physics implications of long tunnels are for high explosive penetrators, but that is what I have read. I have to assume some assymetry in the tunnel layouts to break up the blast waves. Think lots of "Z"s.
     
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    I, personally, think that Iran should be dealt with caution for it is not Iraq.
    Iran is well equiped and its troops are well trained, plus they are mor fanatical than Iraqis....
     
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    Me too , Milos. I would suggest that 'success' be measured with targets destroyed and not regimes toppled. Bomb the $hit out of these Ahole's prize nuclear possessions and sit back and suffer the wrath of the world's pacifists. A quick campaign with absolute destruction similar to Desert Storm and then go home with no comment to the world press. Isreali style. Let them wallow in their own juices.
     
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    What could Iran do in retaliation if Israel struck their nuclear facilities?
     
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    WW3.........
     
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    Nah... perhaps lob a few missiles in Jerusalem's direction, but more likely they would just let Hamas do their dirty work for them and provide them with weapons, sit back and smile.
     
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    So are we thinking that Iran is a paper tiger..???

    Would Israel go in on the ground.Or......?
     
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    Absolutely not. Rather I think they are smart enough to engange is asymmetric warfare. Why fight a war on their soil when they can conveniently get others to do it on theirs on Iran's behalf.
     
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    My question is will Russia or China side with Iran in the likely event that Israel does strike? Will they get involved? It's a powder-keg mate, looking for a spark. The U.S. forces are spread so thin with Iran and Afghanistan, I don't see how we could commit much effort.
     
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    And I hope we don't commit ANY effort ... The world does not a appresheat what we do .. We need to get out of most places in this world and let them work it out.. Money and trade are the new A-bomb in stopping alot of countrys from attacking and supporting wars..
     
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