vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
I agree Kris, especially the Re.2005
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I have never heard about these tests, and frankly, I am sceptical about there has been a test performed at all (at least not in Germany). Perhaps specs were compared - and BTW these specs shown with the 'DB 603' (which?) do not look superior to me at all. Competitive, yes, superior, no.
Those 109 comparisons are interesting.
I still hold my reservations about the 109 responsiveness because of the commonalities found in every account or description, even those posted here. I wouldn't hinge my views on one pilot's thoughts but rather several sources including the tactics used by the aircraft in combat and defensive tactics used to avoid attacks by the aircraft in question. Sometimes those can be more telling than what pilots have to say.
In all likelihood, a trained pilot learned to avoid scenarios that would challenge his limits in the cockpit.
That is to say that a trained pilot isn't likely to use his plane or put himself in a situation where he would not be able to control his aircraft, or allow him to maneuver to a better position.
You don't hop in a 109 and fly it like a P-51, or vice verse. Every plane has its strengths and weaknesses.
You might also look at the Ki-61 seeing as it was based on the 109, and what the Japanese had to do to it so it was a better fit for their needs.
In some reading i've also found that many Italian fighters out performed their contemporary 109 counterparts, at least in speed and in some cases climb, however those factors are not the only considerations for a combat ready aircraft.
Example: the Re-2000 was shown to outperform the Emil however was determined unfit for combat because of lack of self sealing tanks.
I remember having discussions about this before. What does "based on the He 100" mean? Clearly it was not a copy. A source of inspiration? Well yeah, but so was the Bf 109.I believe you will find the Ki-61 was based solely on the He-100 from the export models sent to them fortunately the manufacturing capability was sunk in route ...they even made an experimental model Ki-61 with the evaporate cooling system of the He100 to test it for the Ki-64.
There is some info to be found on the Re.2005 but it is very difficult to interpret. Which version? Which engine and prop? Italian or German tests? Which altitude? Very confusing. For instance, one often comes across the maximum speed of 678 kmh which was attained by diving at altitude and leveling out.the Re-2000 was a good deal slower than the Emil so not sure what you mean there. Fairly sure ti turned much better.
Does anyone have chart data on the Re.2005 by chance? I've looked everywhere and haven't seen anything like the previously posted g.55 and g.56 data. I have some similar charts for the mc.202 as well somewhere I can post. I'll try to remember tomorrow, iirc its from a wright field test of a captured mc.202.