JAS 39 Gripen is growing up....

Denniss · Nov 9, 2025

If Petey and Don change contractual prices on their own Switzerland should simply cancel the contract and sue for damages. If the contract actually has a fixed price as claimed.
I hope other foreign buyers have doublechecked their contracts to prevent that from happening to them as well.
The low readyness state of US F-35 may also not be the best advertizement for these aircraft.

Admiral Beez · Nov 10, 2025

Denniss said:
If Petey and Don change contractual prices on their own Switzerland should simply cancel the contract and sue for damages. If the contract actually has a fixed price as claimed.
I hope other foreign buyers have doublechecked their contracts to prevent that from happening to them as well.
The low readyness state of US F-35 may also not be the best advertizement for these aircraft.

If Canada's price on the remaining F-35 options increase then PM Carney has his window to go elsewhere.

GTX · Nov 10, 2025

Denniss said:
The low readyness state of US F-35 may also not be the best advertizement for these aircraft.

Put it in context compared to others:

GTX · Nov 10, 2025

MiTasol said:
Sounds like the sell em cheap and then gouge the shit out of them on spares trick used by printer companies as well as the "this is a fixed price" con job..

The F-35 sustainment solution is the same for all operators.

Lucky13 · Nov 13, 2025

Swedish king's visit highlights growing Canadian interest in Saab military aircraft | CBC News

Lucky13 · Nov 15, 2025

Saab signs contract for Gripen E/F with Colombia

Crimea_River · Nov 17, 2025

special ed said:
All of this could be avoided if you would become the 51st state.

This was never funny and is increasingly insulting.

MiTasol · Nov 19, 2025

special ed said:
All of this could be avoided if you would become the 51st state.

I hear that Alaska and Hawaii are negotiating on how to become Canadian provinces.

SaparotRob · Nov 19, 2025

Fake news. It's a ploy to get at the good maple syrup. We know you're holding out.

Lucky13 · Nov 20, 2025

View: https://youtu.be/PVXMXj1BA2s?si=O37Hu-MDG-p3mUSz

GTX · Nov 27, 2025

A dose of reality for those pushing the Gripen over the F-35:

F-35 beat Gripen fighter jet 'by a mile' in 2021 Defence Department competition | CBC News

The American-built F-35 fighter jet dominated its Swedish rival Gripen in terms of technical and military capabilities during a competition held by the Defence Department in 2021, according to data obtained by Radio-Canada.

www.cbc.ca

MiTasol · Nov 27, 2025

The Aus Defence department (like has happened in other countries over the years) has been caught out several times lately for having staff who are "connected" to one of the supply sources in this sort of study which makes me suspicious of all such reports. It may well be 100% correct but ....

Admiral Beez · Nov 27, 2025

GTX said:
A dose of reality for those pushing the Gripen over the F-35:

Which begs the question, where's Saab's next gen fighter? The Saab Draken was introduced in 1960, the Viggen in 1971, and the Gripen in 1996. The latest version of the Gripen is miles ahead of those from 1996 (much as a Boeing F-15A is no equal to today's F-15X), but AFAIK Saab has no Gripen replacement in development, and Sweden is not part of the Anglo-Italian-Japan GCAP (Global Combat Air Program) or the French-German-Spanish FCAS (Future Combat Air System). Meanwhile, Saab is soon going to see the Western-aligned market for non-F-35 Gen 4/5 fighters get smoked by the South Koreans and their KF-21.

GTX · Nov 28, 2025

Admiral Beez said:
Which begs the question, where's Saab's next gen fighter? The Saab Draken was introduced in 1960, the Viggen in 1971, and the Gripen in 1996. The latest version of the Gripen is miles ahead of those from 1996 (much as a Boeing F-15A is no equal to today's F-15X), but AFAIK Saab has no Gripen replacement in development, and Sweden is not part of the Anglo-Italian-Japan GCAP (Global Combat Air Program) or the French-German-Spanish FCAS (Future Combat Air System). Meanwhile, Saab is soon going to see the Western-aligned market for non-F-35 Gen 4/5 fighters get smoked by the South Koreans and their KF-21.

Given the Swedes have only just taken delivery of their first Gripen E they are probably feeling that they have some time. That said:

https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-releases/2025/saab-receives-order-from-fmv-for-continued-future-fighter-concept-studies

Sweden Pushes Ahead With Future Fighter Program

Crewed or uncrewed, or both, Sweden’s next-generation air combat program just got an important boost. Crewed or uncrewed, or both, Sweden’s next-generation air combat program just got an important boost.

www.twz.com

MiTasol · 2025-12-10T15:26:33-0500

A good discussion on the viability of the F-35 and Gripen in post including discussing how changes in US policy can result in the F-35 becoming hangar queens.

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/all-of-vlads-forces-and-all-of-vlads-men-are-out-to-put-humpty-together-again.57884/post-2078155.

Crimea_River · 2025-12-10T15:54:19-0500

MiTasol said:
A good discussion on the viability of the F-35 and Gripen in post including discussing how changes in US policy can result in the F-35 becoming hangar queens.

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/all-of-vlads-forces-and-all-of-vlads-men-are-out-to-put-humpty-together-again.57884/post-2078155.

Faulty link.

MiTasol · 2025-12-10T16:21:34-0500

Okay - go to @Gliders post 43,744 in "All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again."

Note that

GTX in post 43,778 suggests that it is a fake.

This may or may not be true but much of the detail is already known to be correct.

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