JU-82B-2 SNAKE MARKING

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  1. at6

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    I am getting ready to build the Pro modeler JU-87B in North African desert markings using the Snake decal. The kit only includes this for the left side and the instructions seem to indicate that to be the case. Is the Pro modeler kit wrong or did the plane have the snake on both sides?
     
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    #2 Wurger, Aug 31, 2014
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    Unfortunately all known pictures of either T6+AN or T6+DB show the port sides of these planes only. So it is difficult to say if the kind of marking was applied on both sides of the fuselages. Here a couple of images.

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    However the Kagero in the booklet Units 3 St.G 2 "Immelmann" Nr. 97003 suggests the snaky markings on both sides of the T6+DB.

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    THX Wayne. :D

    Additionally... the Kagero Monography no.25 for Ju-87 suggests the snake at the port side only for the T6+AN.

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    #5 stona, Aug 31, 2014
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    When I built one of these I put a snake on both sides.

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    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Other units who applied this sort of thing did apply them to both sides, JGr.10's Fw 190s for example.

    I think Wurger has hit the nail on the head, whatever you decide is neither right nor wrong.

    Incidentally the RLM 65 on the rudder of my subject in the profile above is, I believe, completely spurious and a trick of the light falling on a deflected rudder in the source photograph. The pertinent question is why on earth would it be there? Others will beg to differ :)

    Cheers

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    I would love to see a "Ju-82B-2"!

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    #7 Donivanp, Aug 31, 2014
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    Let he who is without typo, cast the first stone.

    But I to would like to see the JU-82B-2 Snake. I have the Hasegawa 1/48 B-2 in the snake with extra decals because there is little evidence on the matter.
     
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    Thanks guys, I found a photo of T6+AN which proves that the snake was only on one side. Kagero got it right and so did Monogram. T6+AN_1.jpg
     
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    But 21st Century did not. Looking at their version of it that I have and the snake is on both sides. For shame..............
     
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    Assuming the snake(s) had been applied when that photograph was taken.
    They were applied after the tropical 'adjustment' to the camouflage. Without dates I would say that the case is still open. If we can date that photograph to the same time as, or after, those showing the port side then I agree that Kagero and Monogram got it right.
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    Very true. And maybe the guy behind the balkenkreuz was painting the port snake when the picture was taken.
     
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    I know there are some pictures of the snake stukas in Luftwaffe im Focus. I will check, but I seem to remember the pictures only being taken from the port side. At least they are not adding red in the snake like the ESCI decals I have!
     
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    #13 at6, Aug 31, 2014
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    The photo was listed as taken by the British Army when the plane made an emergency landing in North Africa. That would mean that the personnel are from a British crew examining the plane. Perhaps the decal manufacturers and the Model companies thought that as it usually was with most Luftwaffe planes that the markings would be on both sides. I know that many moons ago Revell offered the model in 1/32 scale with the snakes applied to both sides.
     
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    What the heck? The Stuka still looks good either way. Would love to do a 190 in the snake motif.
     
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    The Luftwaffe Im Focus is issue #7 and the photos contained in this thread are also shown in the issue so no right side views as I suspected. A wonderful variation on the standard camo scheme.

    I say both sides, erring on the side of tectonic thoroughness! Achtung!
     
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    Some good points made, the T6 + AN above....is it also possible this is a different aircraft wearing the same codes?
     
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    I'm doing one now, but it's 1/72, much smaller than the scales I normally work in which is fun, and still a work in progress!

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    Is there some info about the upper wing paint scheme on Stuka T6+DP?
     
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    Looking good. I would love to do that scheme in 1/48th.
     
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    Look at Stona's posting of his model. Also, if you can find Revell's instructions for the Ju87, the markings are close to what you want. I thought my Ju87B was T6+AN but When I got the box out of my stash it is T6+CP. Also try Googling Stuka T6+DP.
     
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