Moral objections on warfare.

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It amazes me how Germans can even consider these things as being in any way eqivalents. I fear it is part of their denial syndrome w.r.t. the holocaust - they really don't believe it happened, or if they do, they don't really accept the scope of it.

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Lunatic
 
I do not believe the German population either denies its scope or that it happened RG as you seem to be implying , the only people I have seen who talk like that are the Neo Nazi's that can be found in many country's around the world including the UK and the USA and to be honest the less said about them the better, they are obviously not right in the crust. I can understand Udet's referral to the events that happened in the USA in terms of racialism. but I do not believe it is comparable to Nazi Germany.
I would also understand if somebody mentioned that the First Concentration camps where invented by the British during the Boer war and resulted in the deaths of many thousands of Woman and Children.(a very black period in British history). But it was the scale and the methods employed for the implementation of the atrocities in WW2 that in my opinion sets it apart from any events that I can think of.
 
RG_Lunatic said:
the lancaster kicks ass said:
i mean think about it, you're just coming out of a huge economical depression, things are real bad, but then suddenly a man comes along promising work and a car, a real chance in life, hell if i was in that posistion i'd proberly vote for him too............
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Even if he is a proponent of racism and has published a book explaining his position w.r.t. the "inferior" races? Hmmm.... I thought you Brits had more spine than that!

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Lunatic
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Sorry RG but you would not have done a damn thing. You would have gone along with everything like the Germans did because you would have been no more a hero as anyone else. Give it up, trust me you would have been to damn scared to do anything.

RG_Lunatic said:
It amazes me how Germans can even consider these things as being in any way eqivalents. I fear it is part of their denial syndrome w.r.t. the holocaust - they really don't believe it happened, or if they do, they don't really accept the scope of it.
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This is where I draw the line and I am going to leave this converstion before I get mad because right now I would beat the crap out the person who dares to cower behind there computer and say such things as this. Not a soul in Germany denies it, not a soul in German pretends it does not happen. We have all learned about it in Germany and we have all learned about it in our schools for years. Dont tell me I have not or that my countrymen have not. There are still daily articles with pictures printed in magazines and news papers daily here in Germany. My relatives walked through a camp and looked in awe. Dont tell me my family is in disbelief, dont tell me my country is in disbelief. YOU KNOW ALOT LESS ON THIS SUBJECT THAN YOU THINK YOU DO! There I am finished now because I am not going to discuss such matters with ignorant people such as you.


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I do not believe the German population either denies its scope or that it happened RG as you seem to be implying , the only people I have seen who talk like that are the Neo Nazi's that can be found in many country's around the world including the UK and the USA and to be honest the less said about them the better, they are obviously not right in the crust.
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And you are the first person here who seems to make some sense of this. Thankyou trackened. And as for this subject here on Neo Nazi's, RG_Lunatic, did you know that there are more Neo Nazis brewing in the United States then there are in Germany. Atleast they are illegal in my country. You let them run around in the mountains of Montana and spread there hatred.
 
I'm not sure Adler but I think he may be (as we say in the UK) a wind-up merchant but I can appreciate your feelings and I have to admit if I was in your boots I would bite probably much worse than yourself mate.
As my family saying goes Adler. Don't let the */.,';@,. grind you down. ;)
 
Udet I believe you will find there was a squadron of very successfull coloured Aviators in WW2 (guys could you inform Udet for me please as it appears I am talking Crap and only just discovered I have a functioning brain)
 
Adler,

I recently saw a documentary showing that something like 50% of German 16 year olds had no idea what the Holocaust was, and that something like a third of 30 year olds did not believe anywhere near 6 million Jews were slaughtered. I know it makes you angry to hear this, but this is what researchers have found is the truth of the matter.

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Lunatic
 
Also, if you want to point at an American disgrace, the annihilation of the Native Americans in the 1700's and 1800's is a better example.

I have to wonder what America would be like today had smallpox not wiped out over 90% of the Native American population.

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Lunatic
 
I agree... the way the european settlers dealled with native americans was disastrous... And the deseases they brought with them from the continent were devastating for the defenceless natives...
 
Right now THC is running a series on this very topic, showing how the "white man" mistreated the native Americans in each quadrant of the country. And another series, I think called "Birth of a Nation - Death of a Nation" or something like that, will be shown soon - they've been running adds for the series for a few weeks now.

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Lunatic
 
RG_Lunatic said:
Adler,

I recently saw a documentary showing that something like 50% of German 16 year olds had no idea what the Holocaust was, and that something like a third of 30 year olds did not believe anywhere near 6 million Jews were slaughtered. I know it makes you angry to hear this, but this is what researchers have found is the truth of the matter.

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Lunatic
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And you believe every goddamn thing that is ever written. Who went to German school, you or me! Deffinatly not you prick! Second of all the documentary you probably saw was written and filmed by either Michael Moore (what a joke) or some disillusional person like yourself! This is what researchers found? What researchers? Probably american researchers like yourself! YOU ALWAYS ASK FOR SOURCES WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY CORRUPT AND FULL OF SHIT! My wife just read your post there (she is German) and she laughed at hour ignorant you are and all she could say was "Typische Ami". Do you know what that means? It means "Typical American!" Thinking they know everything better! Mind you she went to a German School for 13 years so I think she is a better source then you can come up with anyday!
 
yes and those poeple are normally british :lol:

but i know how you feel it is extremely annoying and sometimes i'm disgusted by people's arrogance.........
 
I would have SERIOUS doubts about those numbers quoted. I think the Germans have had quite an abundance of information about what the Nazis did. The problem is that there are still people that blame anyone who speaks German for what happened.

RG, this is one debate it might be wise to drop.
 
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yes and those poeple are normally british :lol:

but i know how you feel it is extremely annoying and sometimes i'm disgusted by people's arrogance.........
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I am feeling the same way right now.

No one is worse then the French though.
 
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