That is what they tell us also, that you are an ambassador but unfortunatly there a lot of bad apples.
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DerAdlerIstGelandet said:RG_Lunatic said:Adler,
I recently saw a documentary showing that something like 50% of German 16 year olds had no idea what the Holocaust was, and that something like a third of 30 year olds did not believe anywhere near 6 million Jews were slaughtered. I know it makes you angry to hear this, but this is what researchers have found is the truth of the matter.
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Lunatic
And you believe every goddamn thing that is ever written. Who went to German school, you or me! Deffinatly not you prick! Second of all the documentary you probably saw was written and filmed by either Michael Moore (what a joke) or some disillusional person like yourself! This is what researchers found? What researchers? Probably american researchers like yourself! YOU ALWAYS ASK FOR SOURCES WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY CORRUPT AND FULL OF s**t! My wife just read your post there (she is German) and she laughed at hour ignorant you are and all she could say was "Typische Ami". Do you know what that means? It means "Typical American!" Thinking they know everything better! Mind you she went to a German School for 13 years so I think she is a better source then you can come up with anyday!
'Look to Germany to learn lessons of Holocaust'
Ambassador claims British can learn from his country's approach to its past
By Alan Crawford, Special Correspondent
BRITAIN can help counteract growing public ignorance of the Holocaust by learning from Germany's approach to remembering the second world war, according to the German ambassador.
As nations prepare to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz this Thursday, Ambassador Thomas Matussek pointed out that no German pupil leaves school without being taught in detail about the rise of Nazi Germany, the second world war and the Holocaust.
By contrast, a recent poll for the BBC found that 45% of adult respondents in Britain claimed they had never even heard of Auschwitz. That figure rises to 60% among women and people aged under 35.
More than 1,130,000 people, most of them Jews, were exterminated at Auschwitz in southern Poland. Formerly used to detain political prisoners, it became an SS concentration camp on June 14, 1940, and was liberated by the Russian Red Army on January 27, 1945.
Matussek's comments come just a week after Prince Harry, third in line to the throne, enraged the families of Holocaust victims worldwide when he was photographed at a fancy dress party dressed in a Nazi uniform.
Referring to poll findings, the German envoy suggested that a documentary series about Auschwitz currently showing on BBC television could be used by teachers in their lessons to give pupils in the UK a similar understanding of wartime events to those of their German counterparts.
"I would also suggest that, as well as information on the second world war, there could be greater awareness of the modern democratic Germany and the lessons that have been learned from that darkest chapter of our history," he said.
Matussek said that the poll findings could be explained by the focus of teaching of the second world war in British schools being "not quite right".
"Everybody seems to know who started the war and committed the atrocities, and of course who won – but perhaps less attention gets paid to the victims.
"For obvious reasons, my country has gone thorough soul-searching ever since the war. For instance, schools make trips to former concentration camps and learn what happened under Nazi rule. And it's certainly true that young Germans learn as much in school about the victims as they do about those who perpetrated the crimes."
Antony Beevor, military historian and author of the books Stalingrad and Berlin – The Downfall 1945, said the level of ignorance about Auschwitz in Britain was a "pretty devastating indictment of the education system", particularly at a time when many teachers were highlighting an exaggerated emphasis on the Third Reich.
He added: "The subject is taught much more thoroughly in German schools than it is in British schools."
The German ambassador has previously spoken out about the British media preoccupation with the Nazis and its "repetition of clichés and stereotypes", which he said fuelled xenophobia. His remarks were prompted by an attack on two German boys staying with British host families in south London, while children in the same party were heckled as "Nazis" in the street. Matussek said last week that "hardly a day goes by without a documentary or a film about the Nazi era", yet polls still point to a high level of ignorance of Auschwitz.
"The question is: who's watching? Who are the audiences? The people who experienced the war? My generation? It seems that it's mainly people who know about it anyway."
However, Neil Griffiths, spokesman for the Royal British Legion Scotland, said that after spending 20 years in Germany he felt Germans also had a tendency to "turn a blind eye" to wartime events.
"Having lived and worked and grown up in Germany and in Britain, I think we are on a par. By and large, I wouldn't say their remembrance and atonement is on a higher level than ours."
Europe Minister Denis MacShane, a German speaker, caused controversy last November when he said that Germany should get over its own "obsession" with Hitler and the war. "There are two problems with Britain's relationship with Germany," he said.
"The first is that very few opinion formers or policy-makers know modern Germany, read German or visit the country. The other is the pathological need of the isolationist press for enemies in Europe. Mind you, I think it is time the Germans themselves became less obsessed with Hitler and the second world war.
"We are in a new century, but too many Brits and Germans are still living in the last one."
23 January 2005
www.sundayherald.com/47273
Well you still have an advantage over me Skim my missuss don't think much of me nor do the kids in fact when I look in a mirror im not too keen on myself either.quote="Nonskimmer"] And what a lot of Canucks don't seem to realize is, we're not really half as liked around the world as what they'd like to believe anyway.
Nonskimmer said:Heh! It's kinda funny, but can you guys spot Canadians in an airport? It's easy. A lot of them sew Canadian flags to their backpacks, ball caps, just about anywhere. You know why? It's because they don't want to be mistaken for Americans when they travel abroad.
In a way I suppose I can see where they're coming from, but it's not a practice I've taken up. I personally have absolutely no problem with Americans. I certainly know a few assholes who happen to be Americans, but then again I know far more of them who happen to be Canadians.
And what a lot of Canucks don't seem to realize is, we're not really half as liked around the world as what they'd like to believe anyway.
You are what you are, no matter where you hail from.
RG_Lunatic said:Again, my apologies. It seems the Germans do undertake a serious effort to educate their people about what happened.
evangilder said:There is no reason for anyone who wasn't alive at the time to be blamed for that. To be honest, there are very few alive today that are to blame for it. The most important thing is that it is over and people learn about it so that it doesn't happen again.
evangilder said:There is no reason for anyone who wasn't alive at the time to be blamed for that. To be honest, there are very few alive today that are to blame for it. The most important thing is that it is over and people learn about it so that it doesn't happen again.
trackend said:How far back do we go blaming the people now for what previous generations did. Lets pick on the decendants of the Romans after all they nailed the son of God to a wooden cross. its a nosensical thing to even contemplate.
trackend said:In my opinion RG any generation is totally blame free for what their fathers or grandfathers did to me its like saying because you fell out of this womb its your fault that your mother was a mass murderer feeling guilt is understandable as im not too proud of some of the things carried out in the name of Britain but as I was not born at the time I refuse to take the blame for them but I do understand the point you are making that as a gesture somethings can be done by the current generations to reconcile errors that may still be happening Im thinking along the lines of things like Swiss banks with holding money that was taken from the Jewish community by the Nazi's.
evangilder said:Then what happens to companies like Bayer, Krupps, Telefunken, etc. They all used labor from the camps and are still in business. I don't think that these companies should be sold off to recompense the victims, it would serve no purpose. No amount of money can bring back the dead, or replace them. Things happened as they did and it can't be taken back. As generations move forward, they cannot be made responsible for the sins of the father.