Ad: This forum contains affiliate links to products on Amazon and eBay. More information in Terms and rules
Zero for LifeAbout the P-59 AIracomet, let's give Bell their due.
1) When they asked Bell to design it, they didn't give Bell and engine. They gave them a big block of wood that was sort of the correct shape and said, "It won't be any bigger than that. Use two of them."
2) They didn't give them much information at all, including the thrust it would make, so Bell added a LOT of wing area. It's almost a sailplane.
3) They didn't tell Bell how much fuel it used. An F-86D in loiter mode at 30,000 feet will use about 170 U.S. gallons per hour. Average cruise is around 300 gph. The YP-59A, on the other hand, used earlier I-16 engines and would use 570 U.S. gallons per hour on takeoff! Internal fuel was 280 gallons, so you weren't going to fly very long!
4) They didn't tell Bell how much air it used, so the intakes are oversize and draggy. Too much air goes in, the engine uses what it needs, and the rest mulls around in the intake and then comes back out, creating a lot of drag. By the time Bell actually got engines and figured that out, the airframe was completed, and there wasn't any money for redesign.
They built 3 XP-59, 13 YP-59A, 20 P-59A, ands 30P-59B for a grand total of only 66 airplanes. They weren't very good, but the DID serve to teach our WWII pilots how to fly jet aircraft. That came back to benefit us in spades in Korea. When the WWII / Korean War era pilots finally retired, we lost our expertise and didn't get it back until Top Gun / Red Flag were created to restore the expertise to aerial hunters.
The YP-59A at the Planes of Fame is SN 42-108777. We have had the pleasure of having two or three pilots who actually flew our tail number give talks at the museum. Their stories are very entertaining and offer glimpses into early jet operations that are almost shocking. Seems like a good subject for a new post.
Oh, and the Zero is my favorite WWII fighter, too.
Wow. That really explains a lot. I thought the US could have had a better looking first attempt. Now I know why. "Here, take this log and build secret weapon".About the P-59 AIracomet, let's give Bell their due.
1) When they asked Bell to design it, they didn't give Bell an engine. They gave them a big block of wood that was sort of the correct shape and said, "It won't be any bigger than that. Use two of them."
2) They didn't give them much information at all, including the thrust it would make, so Bell added a LOT of wing area. It's almost a sailplane.
3) They didn't tell Bell how much fuel it used. An F-86D in loiter mode at 30,000 feet will use about 170 U.S. gallons per hour. Average cruise is around 300 gph. The YP-59A, on the other hand, used earlier I-16 engines and would use 570 U.S. gallons per hour on takeoff! Internal fuel was 280 gallons, so you weren't going to fly very long!
4) They didn't tell Bell how much air it used, so the intakes are oversize and draggy. Too much air goes in, the engine uses what it needs, and the rest mulls around in the intake and then comes back out, creating a lot of drag. By the time Bell actually got engines and figured that out, the airframe was completed, and there wasn't any money for redesign.
They built 3 XP-59, 13 YP-59A, 20 P-59A, and 30 P-59B for a grand total of only 66 airplanes. They weren't very good, but the DID serve to teach our WWII pilots how to fly jet aircraft. That came back to benefit us in spades in Korea. When the WWII / Korean War era pilots finally retired, we lost our expertise and didn't get it back until Top Gun / Red Flag were created to restore the expertise to aerial hunters.
The YP-59A at the Planes of Fame is SN 42-108777. We have had the pleasure of having two or three pilots who actually flew our tail number give talks at the museum. Their stories are very entertaining and offer glimpses into early jet operations that are almost shocking. Seems like a good subject for a new post.
Oh, and the Zero is my favorite WWII fighter, too.
I had never heard of different canopy profiles on the P-51D/K, but having done more research there were indeed multiple profiles.Yes, the photos I looked at were wartime photos. Look again at a D model's canopy, then look CLOSELY at a K Model's canopy, the bulge is there and extends all the way to the rear of the canopy. I don't know what to say if you can't see it looking at wartime photos, it's like a pimple on a pretty girl's nose.
Not nearly as pretty though. While both men had other designs under their bests, Horikoshi, like Mitchell and his Spitfire was famous for essentially a single aircraft series. Had the latter survived another ten years, it would have been something to have them both in conversation.Love the Zero. When the designer, Jiro Horikoshi, designed next airplane (the J2M Raiden)
My grandpa was aboard the USS Bolivar, APA 34, as a gunner on LCVP's and participated at Iwo Jima and other battles. When I could get him to talk about his experiences he'd tell me he really liked to watch the 'Cool Cats' referring to the Catalina. He thought it to be a most beautiful airplane.I cannot find the post I recall from this thread (nine years ago)
but
A Hellcat pilot said the most beautiful airplane he ever saw
was the PBY landing to pick him out of the Pacific Ocean.
Planes are like women, they are all beautiful in their own way but some just have that ''thing'' that makes you fall for them, flying boats are like that, they have an ''it'' factor that's all their own.Loves me them flying boats. I said it before but if I had way to much money, I'd love to have a PBY as recreational vehicle.
I cannot find the post I recall from this thread (nine years ago)
but
A Hellcat pilot said the most beautiful airplane he ever saw
was the PBY landing to pick him out of the Pacific Ocean.
Look at the interwar period french bombers and think again about that they are all beautiful in their own way!Planes are like women, they are all beautiful in their own way but some just have that ''thing'' that makes you fall for them, flying boats are like that, they have an ''it'' factor that's all their own.