Most effective planes of the early war years

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I was just mainly adding my two sense. I try not to get out of hand here and I am not going to now. I was not implying anything Smokey just making a remark.

Damn CC I do need my stuff fixed I wish Horse would get back with me, I feel so hopeless.

 

[cheddar cheese]

Weve been contacting him but heard nothing as yet. I think youll probably just have to wait for a while.

 

[evangilder]

Smokey, one more off-topic outburst like that and you will be shown the door. Knock it off, NOW.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yeah I am waiting out, dont worry.

 

[Smokey]

Yeah, I was just annoyed at Plan D misconstruing my original post, and then insulting me

 

[kiwimac]

Everyone simply needs to calm down. Smokey, you are entitled to your opinions but perhaps you need to consider that others have theirs as well. You will NEVER convince anyone if you are so quick to judge.

As for the rest just Calm down, eh! or I'll start dishing out the yellows!

Kiwimac

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I think its under control Kiwi.

 

[Smokey]

All that happened was that I was misunderstood by Plan D, who judged me too quickly and then insulted me.
I've seen loads of misunderstandings on other forums, but this is the first one I have been involved in.
I can see how these misunderstandings/arguments develop so quickly when you only have text based communication, like on a forum.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yes it has happened quite a bit. When you do not see the person and talk to them directly you can easily misunderstand them.

 

[Hot Space]

Damn and I was gonna spam the hell outta this thread as well to get you lot to change the subject as well

Hot Space

 

[kiwimac]

Ok.

Kiwimac

 

[plan_D]

How, in any way was the D.520 superior to the Spitfire? The Hawk-75 was better than the D.520...just face it, del.

 

[Hot Space]

I don't think either was better then the Spitfire - even the MkI except for it's guns.

Hot Space

 

[plan_D]

I think we've largely excluded the Spitfire from this discussion because it didn't see fighter service over France until Dunkirk. This discussion is "...up to Dunkirk...".

However, since I see the moment to educate and inform...here I go;

The Hawk-75A-4 or Mohawk.IV in British service was superior to the Spitfire Mk.I in everything but speed and armament. It carried six Browning .303cal instead of the Spitfire IAs eight. It only achieved 323 mph when the Spitfire I achieved 362 mph.
The Mohawk.IV was superior to the Hurricane also in everything but armament. The MOD seemed to under-estimate the Mohawks abilities and sent it off to the far corner of her empire, to Burma.
When the Mohawk became the P-40 Warhawk the speed increased that was so desired by the RAF and USAAF was achieved but at a large cost. Everything else on the plane was lost and the P-36 was left forgotten in the CBI.

The Hawk-75As were France's most successful plane during the French campaign. They scored Europe's first aerial victories on the 8th of September, 1939, shooting down two Bf-109Es.

The Hawk-75s over France were largely A-1s and A-2s. They had little A-3s and no A-4s. Had they possessed A-4s the story in the air might have been even more in the Mohawks favour than it already was.
The RAF took many of the deliveries sent to go to France. These were all A-4s and when retrofitted with RAF equipment were re-designated Hawk-75A-9s but were still called Mohawk.IVs.

With the FAF they scored 190 kills to eight air losses and six lost to AA.

http://curtisshawk75.bravepages.com/

 

[FLYBOYJ]

I'm with you on this one D, especially after reading Steve Hinton's recent pilot report on a restored Hawk. Very under-rated aircraft that was considered obsolete at the start of the war.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Im will Plan_D on this as well. I am just not convinced about the D.520.

 

[marseille jr]

I am.

The Dewoitine wasn't superior to the spitfire, but it could held it's own against the bf109 emil, as that would have been a range/manoeuvrability Vs. engine's HP battle.

Imagine the D520 with a better engine. It was to have at least 150 HP extra, but the engines were unavailable so they put the obsolescent 920 HP engine in it. It would have decimated the Bf 109's ...

 

[cheddar cheese]

I agree. It was a good plane let down my lack of power and the fact it was French. I think it probably had a lot of development potential.

 

[plan_D]

I read somewhere the other day about Seafires easily burning Vichy D.520s over Morroco. I'll try and find it again...

 

[Smokey]

That could be because the Spitfire pilots had alot of experience, while the Vichy pilots had little/no experience.