Most Inaccurate War Film

trackend · May 17, 2007

Although not the worst or most inaccurate "In Which We Serve" contains one of the worst lines I 've heard, Sailor dieing in sick bay " I want my Captain"
My old man fell about laughing, he said he and his mates did the same thing when they saw it originally during the war. I cant repeat what he said about Noel Coward in the title roll.

comiso90 · May 17, 2007

trackend said:
" I want my Captain"

k9kiwi · May 17, 2007

is that love at first sound bite.

Vassili Zaitzev · May 17, 2007

Pearl Harbor for me, I found a contradictory during the movie. That scene where Ben Affleck tells his fellow pilots that " P-40s cannot outrun Zeros, so don't even try". Then in the next scene, I see Ben Affelck not only outrun a zero in a P-40, but also keep up with it in a climb. Also, how can two pilots, one who didn't have any combat experience, take down 7 Zeros which were probably flown by experienced airman. I know about the two real life pilots who scored some kills, ( sorry, I forgot their names), but I'm pretty sure not all of their kills were zeros.

Matt308 · May 17, 2007

Or the B-25 crashing into the Jap forces at the end of the Dolittle Raid within feet of the other downed airmen. That was a "guffawer".

Vassili Zaitzev · May 17, 2007

Matt308 said:
Or the B-25 crashing into the Jap forces at the end of the Dolittle Raid within feet of the other downed airmen. That was a "guffawer".

Yeah man, like that. Also in the movie Ben Affleck survives when his spitfire hits the water. If that was real, wouldn't the aircraft had shattered in pieces and Affelck would be on the bottom on the channel?

armypilot · May 17, 2007

In reference to the movie "The Beast", excellent movie. yes the helo was a Super Frelon with Vis Mods. The tank was an Israeli T-69. This tank utilized a Soviet T-55 hull and turret with a U.S. M-68 105mm main gun. And the T.C. stated he was a child during the battle of Stalingrad and they used him to help blow up Nazi tanks. If I remember correctly he stated they would lower him by rope from a bridge.

Dragontech64 · May 17, 2007

When it comes to inaccurate war films the list is VERY long and distinguished, however special mention needs to go to two films IMHO: Flyboys, both for technical gaffs, such as wrong a/c types for the year, plus a bad (and boring) romance sub-plot. Also high in the running and I noticed oft mentioned in the thread: Pearl Harbor, again for the badly done and boring romance sub-plot, in a pathetic attempt to make the movie "chick-friendly" perhaps? Then throw in the wrong types of fighters over England in BoB section, wrong type of P-40's over Pearl, and missing the other US fighters there that day (P-35; P-36 and the fact that an SBD shot down a Japanese plane that morning too), wrong model B-25 on the Tokyo Raid, plus the fact that they flew in solo, not in formation, and fighter pilots wouldn't be caught dead in a bomber if they could avoid it. I enjoyed Flyboys because it shows a part of history long neglected by Hollyweird, and did do true justice to the flying scenes and the bravery of "L'Escadrille American" Pearl HArbor just was too much to swallow.

syscom3 · May 17, 2007

Vassili Zaitzev said:
Yeah man, like that. Also in the movie Ben Affleck survives when his spitfire hits the water. If that was real, wouldn't the aircraft had shattered in pieces and Affelck would be on the bottom on the channel?

Sometimes I wish Ben Afflick would disappear under the water.

Dragontech64 · May 18, 2007

In replay to Vassili Zaitzev: Lt's Ken Taylor and George Welch are credited with between 6 and 10 (depending on reports cited and including "Probables") Japanese aircraft shot down between them, mostly Aichi B3A1 dive bombers, though at least one A6M2 was claimed as well. As for Afflack saying the P-40 couldn't outrun a Zero, true, above about 15,000 feet, but below that, it was faster and could out-dive a Zero any day. In all, 5 USAAF pilots scored victories that day for a total of 10 confirmed, 4 probable and 2 damaged. In a side note Welch went on to fly Airacobras and Lightnings in the SW Pacific and was sent home with malaria after 16 confirmed victories in late fall 1943. After the war as a civilian test pilot for the XF-86, he managed to exceed the speed of sound in a dive just days before Yeager did it in level flight in the X-1. Welch died 25 May 1953 when the F-100A he was test flying broke up.

Vassili Zaitzev · May 18, 2007

Dragontech64 said:
In replay to Vassili Zaitzev: Lt's Ken Taylor and George Welch are credited with between 6 and 10 (depending on reports cited and including "Probables") Japanese aircraft shot down between them, mostly Aichi B3A1 dive bombers, though at least one A6M2 was claimed as well. As for Afflack saying the P-40 couldn't outrun a Zero, true, above about 15,000 feet, but below that, it was faster and could out-dive a Zero any day. In all, 5 USAAF pilots scored victories that day for a total of 10 confirmed, 4 probable and 2 damaged. In a side note Welch went on to fly Airacobras and Lightnings in the SW Pacific and was sent home with malaria after 16 confirmed victories in late fall 1943. After the war as a civilian test pilot for the XF-86, he managed to exceed the speed of sound in a dive just days before Yeager did it in level flight in the X-1. Welch died 25 May 1953 when the F-100A he was test flying broke up.

Thanks man, I forgot those pilots names, although I saw their characters make an attack scene In Tora Tora Tora

ToughOmbre · May 18, 2007

syscom3 said:
Sometimes I wish Ben Afflick would disappear under the water.

Pearl Harbor can be described in one word...Unwatchable!

trackend · May 18, 2007

I've never seen Pearl Harbour sounds like I never will either.
I loved Tora Tora Tora and I didnt think it could be bettered thats why I have never bothered with PH .
Cant wait for the Dam busters I hope they dont depart to far from the truth and it will have to be good to better the original.

102first_hussars · May 18, 2007

I thought that old movie the Devils Brigade was pretty stupid

the battle scenes were too over the top and not factual

the begining where the canadians and americans are conflicting and fighting

never happened, in fact the Yanks and Canucks got along pretty good at the start

HealzDevo · May 20, 2007

Okay, but still in that sort of thing, they have already been identified as enemies so you shoot them down before they get that close. The whole idea I thought of modern combat was to get that pilot before you had to dogfight them... In that sense then, I really thought that most of the modern usefulness of a cannon on a fighter, fighter/bomber was to be able to conduct ground attack. That is what I thought the cannon was mostly turned into, a ground-attack weapon...

FLYBOYJ · May 20, 2007

HealzDevo said:
Okay, but still in that sort of thing, they have already been identified as enemies so you shoot them down before they get that close. The whole idea I thought of modern combat was to get that pilot before you had to dogfight them... In that sense then, I really thought that most of the modern usefulness of a cannon on a fighter, fighter/bomber was to be able to conduct ground attack. That is what I thought the cannon was mostly turned into, a ground-attack weapon...

Ahhhhh.........no.

There was doctrine written after the Vietnam War about the use of a gun on modern fighters and that's why you see them on the F-14, 15 and 16. A gun is your "knife" if you will and there were several gun kills during GW1.

HealzDevo · May 20, 2007

Okay. I understand now. Just a probably common misconception caused by watching and finding numerous modern ground attack videos but very few ATA gunnery videos.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 21, 2007

Or playing to many video games and thinking that it is reality...

FLYBOYJ · May 21, 2007

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