buffnut453
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Do I have to?
My facts were absolutely in line. I said "command DECIDED P-51s should go to the 8th and P-47s should be transferred to the 9th." Straight from AHT. Implementation obviously came later. Command couldn't snap their fingers and make it so immediately, but they did know that the P-47's range was inadequate for the job at hand. And it really didn't matter that the P-47s provided escort through April '44, their range was still way too short. P-47s did get more fuel and wider propeller blades, but only after air superiority had been won over Europe. When the AAF needed them most in 1943, P-47s were inadequate.In the MTO, the P-47 fighter groups in12th AF were tasked for CAS and short range interdiction (Rail and Bridges). P-47D FG in 15th were escort. In ETO ALL P-47s in 9th AF were tasked to provide escort through April 1944, and thence the 9th AF P-47s were diverted for cross channel Interdiction preparing for D-Day. In the 8th AF ALL VIII FC were tasked for both CAS/Interdiction and Escort from D-Day through mid August, thence entirely Escort through the end of its service in VIII FC.
Aside from not having your facts in-line with historical facts regarding the variable missions and service, why would you overlook the Essential role if intermediate Penetration and Withdrawal for 8th AF escort over Germany through VE Day? It took 11 months to convert 'nearly all VIII FC P-47 equipped FGs from P-47D to P-51B/C.
Most definitely Not Egon Meyer - who was busy about 100 mi from the Johnson shoot up.
Other authors have expressed doubt about Mayer's alleged encounter with Johnson. There is no direct evidence Mayer was involved in this battle. No III./JG 2 pilot is present on victory or loss records according to the most complete German sources.
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Are you sure it was better than the P-39?
Something's range only becomes inadequate when you have something with longer range, until that time your plans are on hold. B-17s were escorted by Spitfires until P-47s became available which meant both being used, then P-38s came and then P-51s. Until you have enough P-51s you have to use P-47s to take the bombers in and out with P51s doing the longest legs.My facts were absolutely in line. I said "command DECIDED P-51s should go to the 8th and P-47s should be transferred to the 9th." Straight from AHT. Implementation obviously came later. Command couldn't snap their fingers and make it so immediately, but they did know that the P-47's range was inadequate for the job at hand. And it really didn't matter that the P-47s provided escort through April '44, their range was still way too short. P-47s did get more fuel and wider propeller blades, but only after air superiority had been won over Europe. When the AAF needed them most in 1943, P-47s were inadequate.
Something's range only becomes inadequate when you have something with longer range, until that time your plans are on hold. B-27s were escorted by Spitfires until P-47s became available which meant both being used, then P-38s came and then P-51s. Until you have enough P-51s you have to use P-47s to take the bombers in and out with P51s doing the longest legs.
That will teach me not to type in the darkOooh B-27's. Was that a twin boom, inline engine variant of the B-17?
From the link,I appreciate both these corrections. Is there any suggestion who the German pilot might be?
Edit: I used to own Caldwell's book on JG26, maybe that's where I got the idea?
That would have been for a ferry mission, they typically carried a single centerline tank when escorting.
My facts were absolutely in line. I said "command DECIDED P-51s should go to the 8th and P-47s should be transferred to the 9th." Straight from AHT. Implementation obviously came later. Command couldn't snap their fingers and make it so immediately, but they did know that the P-47's range was inadequate for the job at hand. And it really didn't matter that the P-47s provided escort through April '44, their range was still way too short. P-47s did get more fuel and wider propeller blades, but only after air superiority had been won over Europe. When the AAF needed them most in 1943, P-47s were inadequate.
It might help of you actually read a bit more.And it really didn't matter that the P-47s provided escort through April '44, their range was still way too short. P-47s did get more fuel and wider propeller blades, but only after air superiority had been won over Europe. When the AAF needed them most in 1943, P-47s were inadequate.
Whatever it was, it sure as hell wasn't the P-39but hey, by end of Dec 1943/early Jan 1944 air superiority had already been won over Europe (by what????? inquiring minds want to know)
It might help of you actually read a bit more.
The P-47s were getting the wider prop blades starting in Dec of 1943. Likewise the early water injection kits were being fitted from Nov on, most P-47s having gotten the water injection by the end of 1943, but hey, by end of Dec 1943/early Jan 1944 air superiority had already been won over Europe (by what????? inquiring minds want to know)
Obviously those 109 P-51s had won air superiority over Europe allowing those 415 P-47s to survive.