Silver that's not tarnished? Painted gold? Aluminum ingots? Do the markings seem too clean? Oh, I don't know. MORE INFO PLEASE!
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And is that a freemason symbol on the bottom of the train, why is the date stamp blurred ?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I don't think it's a freemason symbol, it's probably a Wehrmacht/Reichsbahn unit insignia
bobbysocks
Chief Master Sergeant
maybe that is why the lenses all splotched up with water droplets?
and I just checked...there is nothing on google about them breaching the tunnel and finding anything.
and I just checked...there is nothing on google about them breaching the tunnel and finding anything.
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Where did you get those pictures Stona? Is fake, right?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Are these photos from the two guys that found it...the date looks to be 05 09 2015 on the photos
And if it's faked, it's a hell of a job, as it's pretty hard to find an armored train these days...
And if it's faked, it's a hell of a job, as it's pretty hard to find an armored train these days...
I just read a comment from someone who said it is a model train. According to him, there was only on example build of this type of locomotive, so it must be fake. The camoflage on the crates also seems to be non-german. So my best guess is that it is a fake, although I admit I'm no expert by a long shot.
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I so hoped it was real !
The photos are appearing at various internet sites. I have no idea of their provenance though one site stated that they were supposedly of the Polish train. I know nothing about the sort of trains the Germans might have used at this time, nor of the emblems/insignia they might have carried (apart from the eagle holding the swastika in a wreath) so I can't comment on that either. I've never seen a train with buffers painted in the camouflage colours before!
The 'ingot' doesn't look like any silver ingot I've seen. Where are the stamps? Bullion is always thoroughly marked. The Germans were sticklers for things like that and they would be an obvious thing to photograph to show that these are ingots from the relevant period.
I still think this smells strongly of eau de hoax.
Cheers
Steve
The 'ingot' doesn't look like any silver ingot I've seen. Where are the stamps? Bullion is always thoroughly marked. The Germans were sticklers for things like that and they would be an obvious thing to photograph to show that these are ingots from the relevant period.
I still think this smells strongly of eau de hoax.
Cheers
Steve
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I have several ingots that have the assay marks (weight, purity, etc.) on the broad face facing up in the mould, so it's possible it could be the same here (as the mould base is facing the viewer).
I think you're right... Having taken plenty of photos underground while younger (I used to do a bit of caving) they always had a washed-out appearance due to the flash as a light source, which these don't have, and these photos have a single-point light source. The more I look at them, the more I think they're models. Very well-made models though...
There's something about the depth of focus, too which I can't quite put my finger on...
That's sort of my point. Why take a photo of an unmarked face when it would be just as easy and much more convincing to show the various marks which would certainly be present on genuine bullion?
The obvious answer is because this is a hoax and that is not a genuine piece of properly marked bullion!
The more I look the more fake this looks. The train looks like the sort of thing used in underground mines, not on a national network. The 'bullion' looks like a piece of 2x4 sprayed silver
Cheers
Steve
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Airframes
Benevolens Magister
And, given the fears, or concerns, over explosives, booby traps etc, then why is this train suddenly ransacked, with what I presume are supposed to be wooden crates (remarkably preserved!), thrown on the ground and broken, with the 'ingots' strewn around ?
I'm sure that more care would have been taken during the opening of the wagons, an the removal of the crates - and I'm also sure the 'recovery team' would have ensured that more professional photography was undertaken, rather than the poor quality "I'll just snap this with my cell-phone" images shown.
I'm sure that more care would have been taken during the opening of the wagons, an the removal of the crates - and I'm also sure the 'recovery team' would have ensured that more professional photography was undertaken, rather than the poor quality "I'll just snap this with my cell-phone" images shown.
bobbysocks
Chief Master Sergeant
yeah the camera lens is fogged or has water droplets on it.....which can easily help mask details. the room is too well and evenly lit for a cave...and you do see where they have set up lights
The plot thickens...
What's your address again?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
It's the driveway right between 1911A and AR15A2
at6
1st Sergeant
The bar has to be a painted fake. Look closely at the end and you can clearly see what has to be the grain of the wood. Also the train looks more like a movie set than an actual train.
