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How about an aircraft that caused BOTH tragedy AND a triumph? B 29 Enola Gay, marked the end of the biggest horror the world faced which marks a triumph, the WW II.Launched another horror, the atomic bomb and the wrong usage of it for the next decades which it definitely is a tragedy..
 
i think he's fairly set on the B-29 and i think it's a good idea to go for a non-US plane as they will've all heard of the B-29 and about the atom bomb already so teaching them a bit about a foreign plane will be teaching them something new, just make sure if you mention the battle of Britain you mention the Hawker Hurricane too...............
 
The P-51 is a great example of a triumph that was a near tragedy. The Mustang is the plane that almost wasn't. The Brits had originally approached North American Aviation to build the P-40 for them under license but instead NA offered to design them a new and better aircraft from scratch and produce it in the same amount of time. Hurriedly designed and offering lack luster performance the plane could have ended up a footnote of WW2 aviation history but after the airframe was married to the Rolls Royce Merlin engine and some minor redesign to squeeze in the maximum amount of fuel the plane became one of the most important weapons in both Europe and the Pacific.

Some books to look for at your local library:

P-51 Mustang: Development of the Long-Range Escort Fighter
By Paul A. Ludwig and Tom Tullis

The Concise Guide to American Aircraft of World War II
By David Mondey

The Air War in Europe - from Time Life Books World War II series
By Ronald H. Bailey
 
Yeah but everyone in the US knows about the P-51 and thinks of it as the greatest thing since bread and butter.

I with Lanc on this, do something that is not American so that they can learn that there were other great things out there not produced in the US.
 
Thanks for your help and replies but I think I'll stick with the spitfire. I've done some research and have some reading to do. I'll have more details soon.
Tucker
 
DIOGENIS said:
How about an aircraft that caused BOTH tragedy AND a triumph? B 29 Enola Gay, marked the end of the biggest horror the world faced which marks a triumph, the WW II.Launched another horror, the atomic bomb and the wrong usage of it for the next decades which it definitely is a tragedy..
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WTF? "...the wrong usage of it..."? The US invades Okinawa, suffers 50k dead or wounded, calculates homeland invasion costs, and makes a horrific decision. What exactly is the "wrong usage of it" that we are inferring to here?
 
I was waiting for someone else to bring that up. I think the Atomic bombing of Japan was the right thing to do. It ended a war and saved more lives than it killed.
 
My point exactly. War is hell and it is always better to kill your enemy than for you enemy to kill you. It worries me that the revisionists continue to paint the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombing in black and white terms where the US makes a decision that is couched as nothing more than a cruel live test of ordnance. There is nothing further from the truth. The japanese were behaving in fanatical ways that the world has not seen until late with fascist islam. Okinawa was just a precursor to what was believed to be a long and bloody invasion of the Japanese homeland. We lose 13k and the Japanese 100,000+. Civilians are jumping off cliffs with their children and JIA and JIN personnel are commiting suicide for their syphilitic emperor. The war should have already been over, but there was no indication that the Japanese were even close to relenting. The Pacific campaign was brutal on both sides. Only Yamamota recognized that awakening the sleeping giant was ultimately a very poor decision.
 
i think it was the right thing to do but i also think that's for annother thread although it has already been talked about a few times before so let's not loose it in this thread............
 
I thought this forum was about free expression of one man's thoughts so if you don't agree with me i expect you AT LEAST to respect my right to express my self.
I definitely believe that producing atomic weapons either you are USA or USSR drove the world to a dark age, the cold war, and thats one of the tragedies.
Unless you believe that atomic wastes turn out to be manure after 20 yrs.
As for the need to use ONE A. bomb in order to end the ww2 yes, I believe it was justified.

And i think i have every right to do so.At least i am civilised
 
DIOGENIS said:
I thought this forum was about free expression of one man's thoughts so if you don't agree with me i expect you AT LEAST to respect my right to express my self.
I definitely believe that producing atomic weapons either you are USA or USSR drove the world to a dark age, the cold war, and thats one of the tragedies.
Unless you believe that atomic wastes turn out to be manure after 20 yrs.
As for the need to use ONE A. bomb in order to end the ww2 yes, I believe it was justified.

And i think i have every right to do so.At least i am civilised
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1. As another member pointed out, this is not the place to carry out this conversation.

2. Yes, you have a right to express yourself, but just as you have this right, everyone else has a right to express themselves as well, even if they dont agree with you.

3. Dont expect everyone to agree with you.

4. If they dont agree with you, it does not mean they are insulting you.

5. No one insulted you.

6. No one was uncivilized.
 
just to jump in. In 8th grade I won my science fair with a report on aviation and there was no internet. It can help a lot but all my research was done by reading a book. I know it's quite old fashion but there are a lot more good books out there now than in 1964 and there would be no danger of the bad internet people. He also may learn something by reading and not just copy and paste as so many reports are done today. Just a suggestion. But as it was stated earlier, it's been a week so get started and enjoy the process.
 
you guys have points about the books but i doubt he'll have many Spitfire books :lol: i'd say i have one hell of an aviation and partly scientific library for a 16 year old :lol: i love reading about them and the fact that if i'm not at the computer i can go to any of my books and find out anything i want, it's kinda fun searching for it too, and also it pays to check any info you find on the net against a book which tends to be more accurate...............
 
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