SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I was about to write that the pilot would be real disappointed upon realizing the USN is "dry". Then I realized that U.S.S. Robin wasn't really USN. Too bad you can't undo reply.
Non-US carrier aircraft on US carriers
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No doubt stemming from the British officer aboard a Japanese battleship at Tsushima. Both countries shared much and the breakdown in relations was swift and damaging to both parties, whose diplomatic representatives were caught in the middle. This guy in particular, Friedrick Rutland, better known as Rutland of Jutland was accused of being a Japanese spy and eventually commit suicide after WW2, after doing so much for naval aviation during the Great War. Aside from carrying out fleet spotting on the morning of Jutland (the fuselage of the Short 184 he flew is on display at the FAA Museum at Yeovilton, it's a bit damaged as it was in the Imperial War Museum which suffered a fire in WW2), he was the first to fly a landplane from an improvised deck on a seaplane tender, a Sopwith Pup off HMS Manxman. To the astonishment of those present, he attended a meeting at Rosyth and said to all assembled that he could fly a Pup of a space less than 15 feet and then did it. He took over Furious' flying squadron after Edwin Dunning lost his life landing on the forward deck of the carrier and successfully landed a pup on the same deck after Dunning had done his first two successful landings then lost his life, he carried out trials flying Ship's Camels from platforms towed by destroyers... The guy had balls of steel.
Well, the Mustang IS a 'British' aeroplane
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Admiral Beez
Captain
Britain could have done a lot more to maintain positive relations with Japan, but London had become so timid about upsetting the USA... granted they did own a lot of Britain's WW1 debt. But Britain could have supported Tokyo in the WNT instead of sitting back as their long-standing ally was humiliated.
N4521U
Colonel
Britain did have relations After WWI.
They taught them how to T/O and Land on Carriers!
How to carry big bombs on tiny planes!
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
One of several Mustangs the USN trialed over the years.
P-51A, P-51D and P-51H.
Yup, the British Naval Mission of 1921 was a real success for the Japanese and fostered good relations between the countries that were soon to go sour. Several 'modern' aeroplane types, including aircraft carrier-based torpedoplanes and single-seat fighters, went on the mission, that were operated aboard the Hosho. The previously mentioned Rutland of Jutland was one of those who went to Japan with the mission and its commander, Col. William Sempill was also regarded as a traitor following the decay of diplomatic relations in the 30s.
wingnuts
Airman 1st Class
The IJN did more than just exchange officers with the RN, they had a squadron in the Med and Indian Ocean protecting shipping. 2nd Special Squadron (Japanese Navy) - Wikipedia.
Even before then, in late 1914 the Japanese cruiser Ibuki escorted the ANZAC Convoy ships from New Zealand to Australia before departing for Egypt. When signals arrived with the combat ships that the German raider Emden was in the area on their way through the Indian Ocean, Ibuki's captain requested the honour of engaging with the German vessel, but HMAS Sydney was sent instead, despite the Ibuki being more powerful than the Aussie cruiser.
Ibuki-class armored cruiser - Wikipedia
HIJMS Ibuki with HMAS Melbourne escorting the first ANZAC convoy | Australian War Memorial (awm.gov.au)
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Those are great shots!
Good shots!
Glider
Captain
UK F4 on USS Saratoga
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Spitfire lands aboard USS Hancock (CV-19), PTO
(Image source: National WWII Museum)
(Image source: National WWII Museum)
The Basket
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The IJN thing was an alliance between Japan and UK against Russia.
But Russia went into meltdown around 1917 and the Russians were no longer a threat.
So the next Japan UK alliance could only be against the USA. The Japanese would fight USA in Pacific and UK in the Atlantic.
And so UK scrapped it. Didn't want war with USA I guess. Also the Washington Naval Treaty put paid to any future arms race against USA anyway. So Japan was no longer required.
But Russia went into meltdown around 1917 and the Russians were no longer a threat.
So the next Japan UK alliance could only be against the USA. The Japanese would fight USA in Pacific and UK in the Atlantic.
And so UK scrapped it. Didn't want war with USA I guess. Also the Washington Naval Treaty put paid to any future arms race against USA anyway. So Japan was no longer required.
Ah, yes, the Folland Sea Gnat! The 'carrier' was a deck built onto a disused lot as a movie set, with a bit of movie trickery to make it look like a carrier at sea. It was listed as "CV-81"
Those pics of the Argentine navy (CANA) Super Etendards on the US carriers are interesting; note that they don't have their hooks down, which means they are doing touch-and-gos only. CANA engaged with the US Navy on a number of occasions in the 90s and onwards for exercises, the lower two pictures might have been taken during these times; in 1990 the Etendards exercised with the USS Constellation in exercises called Gringo-Gaucho and 20 years later, with the USS Carl Vinson in Exercise Southern Seas. The top picture is aboard the USS Ronald Reagan. The CANA Etendards were not normally carrier-based, certainly not now Argentina no longer has a carrier, but they did carry out operations from the Veinticinco de Mayo in the mid-80s, but these weren't a regular thing. By the time the CANA pilots flew on to Constellation in 1990, the last time the Etendards operated from a carrier was in 1988.
The 'carrier' was a deck built onto a disused lot as a movie set, with a bit of movie trickery to make it look like a carrier at sea. It was listed as "CV-81"Those pics of the Argentine navy (CANA) Super Etendards on the US carriers are interesting; note that they don't have their hooks down, which means they are doing touch-and-gos only. CANA engaged with the US Navy on a number of occasions in the 90s and onwards for exercises, the lower two pictures might have been taken during these times; in 1990 the Etendards exercised with the USS Constellation in exercises called Gringo-Gaucho and 20 years later, with the USS Carl Vinson in Exercise Southern Seas. The top picture is aboard the USS Ronald Reagan. The CANA Etendards were not normally carrier-based, certainly not now Argentina no longer has a carrier, but they did carry out operations from the Veinticinco de Mayo in the mid-80s, but these weren't a regular thing. By the time the CANA pilots flew on to Constellation in 1990, the last time the Etendards operated from a carrier was in 1988.
Nice shots!
ARTESH
Chief Master Sergeant
A question about Argentinean Planes on post #50
Are those photos after 2000? or before that?
Are those photos after 2000? or before that?
cammerjeff
Staff Sergeant
I would say 2003 to 2006 as the USS Ronald Reagan (CV-76) was not commissioned until July 2003, and the last F-14's were retired from USN Fleet Service in September 2006.
