Non-US carrier aircraft on US carriers

SaparotRob · May 14, 2021

Admiral Beez said:
Looking at these sea and cloud conditions, I imagine finding one's carrier was a very welcome sight. I'd be out of that crate, debriefed and into the officer's mess for a hot drink and then hit the bunk..... unless I'm expected to be back in the cockpit for a quick turnaround.

I was about to write that the pilot would be real disappointed upon realizing the USN is "dry". Then I realized that U.S.S. Robin wasn't really USN. Too bad you can't undo reply.

nuuumannn · May 14, 2021

Admiral Beez said:
Japan had three officers on board the Grand Fleet at the Battle of Jutland.

No doubt stemming from the British officer aboard a Japanese battleship at Tsushima. Both countries shared much and the breakdown in relations was swift and damaging to both parties, whose diplomatic representatives were caught in the middle. This guy in particular, Friedrick Rutland, better known as Rutland of Jutland was accused of being a Japanese spy and eventually commit suicide after WW2, after doing so much for naval aviation during the Great War. Aside from carrying out fleet spotting on the morning of Jutland (the fuselage of the Short 184 he flew is on display at the FAA Museum at Yeovilton, it's a bit damaged as it was in the Imperial War Museum which suffered a fire in WW2), he was the first to fly a landplane from an improvised deck on a seaplane tender, a Sopwith Pup off HMS Manxman. To the astonishment of those present, he attended a meeting at Rosyth and said to all assembled that he could fly a Pup of a space less than 15 feet and then did it. He took over Furious' flying squadron after Edwin Dunning lost his life landing on the forward deck of the carrier and successfully landed a pup on the same deck after Dunning had done his first two successful landings then lost his life, he carried out trials flying Ship's Camels from platforms towed by destroyers... The guy had balls of steel.

gkjl said:
P-51D-5NA 44-14017 on the deck of USS Shangri-La in November 1944.

Well, the Mustang IS a 'British' aeroplane

Admiral Beez · May 14, 2021

nuuumannn said:
Both countries shared much and the breakdown in relations was swift and damaging to both parties,

Britain could have done a lot more to maintain positive relations with Japan, but London had become so timid about upsetting the USA... granted they did own a lot of Britain's WW1 debt. But Britain could have supported Tokyo in the WNT instead of sitting back as their long-standing ally was humiliated.

nuuumannn · May 14, 2021

Agree Admiral, the Japanese didn't help themselves though, although there were representatives of the Japanese government that saw the benefits of maintaining cordial relations with the British.

N4521U · May 14, 2021

Admiral Beez said:
Britain could have done a lot more to maintain positive relations with Japan, but London had become so timid about upsetting the USA... granted they did own a lot of Britain's WW1 debt. But Britain could have supported Tokyo in the WNT instead of sitting back as their long-standing ally was humiliated.

Britain did have relations After WWI.
They taught them how to T/O and Land on Carriers!
How to carry big bombs on tiny planes!

GrauGeist · May 15, 2021

gkjl said:
P-51D-5NA 44-14017 on the deck of USS Shangri-La in November 1944.View attachment 623194

One of several Mustangs the USN trialed over the years.
P-51A, P-51D and P-51H.

nuuumannn · May 15, 2021

N4521U said:
They taught them how to T/O and Land on Carriers!

Yup, the British Naval Mission of 1921 was a real success for the Japanese and fostered good relations between the countries that were soon to go sour. Several 'modern' aeroplane types, including aircraft carrier-based torpedoplanes and single-seat fighters, went on the mission, that were operated aboard the Hosho. The previously mentioned Rutland of Jutland was one of those who went to Japan with the mission and its commander, Col. William Sempill was also regarded as a traitor following the decay of diplomatic relations in the 30s.

wingnuts · May 15, 2021

Admiral Beez said:
Britain could have done a lot more to maintain positive relations with Japan, but London had become so timid about upsetting the USA... granted they did own a lot of Britain's WW1 debt. But Britain could have supported Tokyo in the WNT instead of sitting back as their long-standing ally was humiliated.

The IJN did more than just exchange officers with the RN, they had a squadron in the Med and Indian Ocean protecting shipping. 2nd Special Squadron (Japanese Navy) - Wikipedia.

nuuumannn · May 17, 2021

wingnuts said:
The IJN did more than just exchange officers with the RN, they had a squadron in the Med and Indian Ocean protecting shipping.

Even before then, in late 1914 the Japanese cruiser Ibuki escorted the ANZAC Convoy ships from New Zealand to Australia before departing for Egypt. When signals arrived with the combat ships that the German raider Emden was in the area on their way through the Indian Ocean, Ibuki's captain requested the honour of engaging with the German vessel, but HMAS Sydney was sent instead, despite the Ibuki being more powerful than the Aussie cruiser.

Ibuki-class armored cruiser - Wikipedia

HIJMS Ibuki with HMAS Melbourne escorting the first ANZAC convoy | Australian War Memorial (awm.gov.au)

gkjl · May 17, 2021

SaparotRob · May 17, 2021

Those are great shots!

Gnomey · May 20, 2021

Good shots!

Glider · May 20, 2021

UK F4 on USS Saratoga

GrauGeist · May 20, 2021

Spitfire lands aboard USS Hancock (CV-19), PTO

(Image source: National WWII Museum)

The Basket · May 21, 2021

The IJN thing was an alliance between Japan and UK against Russia.

But Russia went into meltdown around 1917 and the Russians were no longer a threat.

So the next Japan UK alliance could only be against the USA. The Japanese would fight USA in Pacific and UK in the Atlantic.

And so UK scrapped it. Didn't want war with USA I guess. Also the Washington Naval Treaty put paid to any future arms race against USA anyway. So Japan was no longer required.

gkjl · May 22, 2021

Hot Shots

nuuumannn · Jul 26, 2021

Ah, yes, the Folland Sea Gnat! The 'carrier' was a deck built onto a disused lot as a movie set, with a bit of movie trickery to make it look like a carrier at sea. It was listed as "CV-81"

Those pics of the Argentine navy (CANA) Super Etendards on the US carriers are interesting; note that they don't have their hooks down, which means they are doing touch-and-gos only. CANA engaged with the US Navy on a number of occasions in the 90s and onwards for exercises, the lower two pictures might have been taken during these times; in 1990 the Etendards exercised with the USS Constellation in exercises called Gringo-Gaucho and 20 years later, with the USS Carl Vinson in Exercise Southern Seas. The top picture is aboard the USS Ronald Reagan. The CANA Etendards were not normally carrier-based, certainly not now Argentina no longer has a carrier, but they did carry out operations from the Veinticinco de Mayo in the mid-80s, but these weren't a regular thing. By the time the CANA pilots flew on to Constellation in 1990, the last time the Etendards operated from a carrier was in 1988.

Gnomey · Jul 27, 2021

Nice shots!

ARTESH · Jul 27, 2021

A question about Argentinean Planes on post #50

Are those photos after 2000? or before that?

cammerjeff · Jul 27, 2021

ARTESH said:
A question about Argentinean Planes on post #50

Are those photos after 2000? or before that?

I would say 2003 to 2006 as the USS Ronald Reagan (CV-76) was not commissioned until July 2003, and the last F-14's were retired from USN Fleet Service in September 2006.

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