How would more organisations being involved answer the question of the value? What price would you put on knowing every detail of an F-22 or F-35?
P51D schematics
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m13katyusa2020
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- Mar 26, 2022
The organization could pay for F-22 and F-35's value, by paying every scientist, engineer, and worker salary, who's working for F-22 or F-35, representing everyone who wants freedom.
And of course all the other competing designs and future designs, you have just taken over the whole worlds military research spending.
m13katyusa2020
Senior Airman
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- Mar 26, 2022
That's why I said it was not enough to make things better just depending on one national organization, it could only achieved by the majority of people who contributes to a more freedom world.
I dont think a thread has ever gone so far off topic so quickly. Can I have some aircraft drawings? Here's my plan for a better world.
marianmadalin32
Airman
- 12
- Dec 18, 2017
Still interested ?Might be able to provide you some drawings for free ! Doing it without a personal interest. Please reply !
fubar57
General
marianmadalin32
He hasn't been here for 4 years. Try sending him a PM and he might pic it up in his email.
GregP
Major
Here' one I did ...
I think it is a picture ...
Oops, the border at top left has one box at the wrong layer. Damn! I thought this was good! Ah well, not worth the time to repost for a box. At least the rivets showed up!
drgondog
Major
Of course rivets should not be visible from LE aft to 40% chord. WD should b in front of ntional insignia. USAF red stripe in the 'bar' not in existance in ETO
GregP
Major
Thanks Bill! Got that scheme from a picture I found. Pic was from the right side, but I drew left side and made an assumption. You know about assumptions ...
Fixed on my source file, well ... the letters, anyway.
The P-51s I have seen that are polished show rivets all the way forward on the wing, but I take your word they weren't visible from the factory. I assume smooth putty that gets sanded off if you polish the aluminum ( another assumption?). Rivets not especially visible on the P-51s I have seen with painted wings, but I never really looked that hard for them since I knew they were there. Might BE visible on most of today's P-51s since almost all have seen some restoration that tends to remove putty. I have seen one or two unrestored P-51s and didn't look at the wing rivets. I was much more interested in the cockpit instruments and the general condition and placards / stencils.
Will go look in the near future ... AFTER vacation ...heading out for a fun trip.
Fixed on my source file, well ... the letters, anyway.
The P-51s I have seen that are polished show rivets all the way forward on the wing, but I take your word they weren't visible from the factory. I assume smooth putty that gets sanded off if you polish the aluminum ( another assumption?). Rivets not especially visible on the P-51s I have seen with painted wings, but I never really looked that hard for them since I knew they were there. Might BE visible on most of today's P-51s since almost all have seen some restoration that tends to remove putty. I have seen one or two unrestored P-51s and didn't look at the wing rivets. I was much more interested in the cockpit instruments and the general condition and placards / stencils.
Will go look in the near future ... AFTER vacation ...heading out for a fun trip.
drgondog
Major
Every wing that emeged fom Inglewood and Dallas P-51s - even NMF - were so treated. In case of NMF the putty/sand/primer was finished wth silver paint. I wonder if there is a warbird flying that retains factory finish.Thanks Bill! Got that scheme from a picture I found. Pic was from the right side, but I drew left side and made an assumption. You know about assumptions ...
Fixed on my source file, well ... the letters, anyway.
The P-51s I have seen that are polished show rivets all the way forward on the wing, but I take your word they weren't visible from the factory. I assume smooth putty that gets sanded off if you polish the aluminum ( another assumption?). Rivets not especially visible on the P-51s I have seen with painted wings, but I never really looked that hard for them since I knew they were there. Might BE visible on most of today's P-51s since almost all have seen some restoration that tends to remove putty. I have seen one or two unrestored P-51s and didn't look at the wing rivets. I was much more interested in the cockpit instruments and the general condition and placards / stencils.
Will go look in the near future ... AFTER vacation ...heading out for a fun trip.
You might ask Steve H what he did to Voodoo.
The practice was initiated in the NA-73 to minimize friction drag from LE to max T/C.
GregP
Major
I KNOW they used putty on the wing for Voodoo, but I they also "profiled" it ... that is, changed the airfoil a bit. I never asked to what and Steve never volunteered it, as you might expect. If he had, I couldn't talk about the details anyway, especially in public forum.
The speed record wing has profile changes that aren't exactly evident to the casual observer, but the basic wing structure is quite stock. Many other things are not anywhere NEAR stock, as expected. All in all, there are thousands of tiny details that are changed, adding up to a vastly different aircraft from a stock P-51D. Everything from gap seals to sealing the entire fuselage to prevent air from entering and exiting. Much more. It does NOT fly like a P-51D, at all.
A stock P-51D is out of nose down trim at 480 mph. Voodoo isn't, even at 500 mph. It also flies very differently from a stock P-51D around the pattern since good low-speed behavior was not one of the primary concerns when preparing Voodoo. It's not a killer, but also isn't friendly to someone not paying attention to it.
The speed record wing has profile changes that aren't exactly evident to the casual observer, but the basic wing structure is quite stock. Many other things are not anywhere NEAR stock, as expected. All in all, there are thousands of tiny details that are changed, adding up to a vastly different aircraft from a stock P-51D. Everything from gap seals to sealing the entire fuselage to prevent air from entering and exiting. Much more. It does NOT fly like a P-51D, at all.
A stock P-51D is out of nose down trim at 480 mph. Voodoo isn't, even at 500 mph. It also flies very differently from a stock P-51D around the pattern since good low-speed behavior was not one of the primary concerns when preparing Voodoo. It's not a killer, but also isn't friendly to someone not paying attention to it.
