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[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I would like to ask all the backers of McCain here (or atleast the anti-Obama's) to state the points of what will happen (+consequences) when/if he takes office that wouldn't happen when/if McCain takes office. Will be interesting to view 4 years from now?

Hold on, let me get my crystal ball...

 

[Aussie1001]

while your at it tell me what my wife will look like is she attractive?

 

[Aussie1001]

I have read quite a bit of this thread (thank my crappy dialup for me not reading it all) and i can say that i am shocked by the level of hospital degredation in western countires not just the U.S Australia for example while not on the same level as the us is still pretty bad. I might blame this on capitalisim for one of the reasons as someone said earlier hospitals are a black hole, the do not give returns and that is what modern day capitalist countires want come to think of it that's what any country wants. Maybe the taxes they put on ciggerettes and booze should be used for funding of the health system, ironic huh.

 

[mkloby]

I would like to ask all the backers of McCain here (or atleast the anti-Obama's) to state the points of what will happen (+consequences) when/if he takes office that wouldn't happen when/if McCain takes office. Will be interesting to view 4 years from now?

Adler's right - there's no way to look into the future and say, but here's a few...
- McCain won't begin cancelling DoD research and development programs
- McCain won't support slashing the military budget
- McCain supports decreasing the corporate tax rate
- Hopefully McCain won't support nonsense like Obama's Global Poverty Act

Obama is a socialist, there is no way around it. If you believe that capitalism is evil, he's your man. Economists shudder at the "economic plan" of his platform. If you believe people are incapable of planning and managing their own lives, then he's your man.

I for one believe in having the opportunity to live your life as you see fit w/o the government getting involved. Why should the government force me to save for retirement via social security? Why should I pay more taxes to support those that made poor decisions with their life? Of course there are catastrophies that happen in people's lives, but these are not the issue. If you made no investment in your education or job skills, why should be be entitled to more income than what someone is willing to pay you (including healthcare)? The money must come from somewhere - and it's not right to penalize those that did make the investments and sacrifices in their lives.

I'll also toss out that Obama also opposed the ban on partial birth abortion - there are few things on this earth more cruel than that practice.

This only scratches the surface.

However - Obama does support pay as you go federal programs helping to establish a balanced budget. That is the only part of his platform I could agree with after reading all his positions.

 

[Njaco]

Sounds like a swell idea, Aussie....

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[ToughOmbre]

I'll also toss out that Obama also opposed the ban on partial birth abortion - there are few things on this earth more cruel than that practice.

That alone is a deal breaker for me. There is not a politician on this planet that I would support who believes in this barbaric practice.

Deal breaker number two: Obama is against the 2nd amendment. He'll say that he supports it, but he's full of crap; he supported DC's ban on handguns until the SC found it unconstitutional.

TO

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

That alone is a deal breaker for me. There is not a politician on this planet that I would support who believes in this barbaric practice.

I will agree with you on that. It is a terrible thing, and I do not understand how anyone can support it.

 

[Danielmellbin]

Hold on, let me get my crystal ball...

Ok - is wasn't talking about a nostradamus-like future magic read.

There's plenty of crystalball looking in many of the posts here (including mine). I would just like to hear what people think the consequences will be from McCain/Obama.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I would just like to hear what people think the consequences will be from McCain/Obama.

Lets see I will make it short and simple and cover it in two sentences.

McCain - A better life for Americans no matter what the world thinks, but who cares what the world thinks.

Obama - More money coming out of Americans pockets and not such a good life, but the world will love us (atleast in a fake way).

 

[Danielmellbin]

I have read quite a bit of this thread (thank my crappy dialup for me not reading it all) and i can say that i am shocked by the level of hospital degredation in western countires not just the U.S Australia for example while not on the same level as the us is still pretty bad. I might blame this on capitalisim for one of the reasons as someone said earlier hospitals are a black hole, the do not give returns and that is what modern day capitalist countires want come to think of it that's what any country wants. Maybe the taxes they put on ciggerettes and booze should be used for funding of the health system, ironic huh.

Yea - hospitals, infrastructure, schools, police etc... Should not be put up as capitalistic organizations. They return "profit" in other ways.

 

[Matt308]

First let me get this out of the way on our candidate choices...



There. I feel better.

McCain is a leader. He will make informed decisions that are in the US (and world's best interest), even if at the expense of jeapardizing near-term benefits for a great majority of US citizenry.

Obama will make strategic decisions based upon his perception of US voters judging him in a negative light. We have seen this already. No surge. Surge. No 2nd Amendment rights. Pro 2nd Amendment. Anti-lobbyist. Pro-lobbyist. No cuban embargo. Cuban embargo. Embrace Iran. Punish Iran. No border fence. Border fence. yadda yadda yadda.

This guy's leadership ability waves with the wind. Can anybody really vote for this dude?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ul8gPo4zwo

 

[pbfoot]

Pb, I find it hard to believe that a YOUNG US citizen was unable to find ANY healthcare in a timely fashion.

I would have to ask the specifics of the case. Because that is just extraordinary.

you misread it or my english sucks

 

[Matt308]

I musta misread it.

 

[Danielmellbin]

First let me get this out of the way on our candidate choices...



There. I feel better.

McCain is a leader. He will make informed decisions that are in the US (and world's best interest), even if at the expense of jeapardizing near-term benefits for a great majority of US citizenry.

Obama will make strategic decisions based upon his perception of US voters judging him in a negative light. We have seen this already. No surge. Surge. No 2nd Amendment rights. Pro 2nd Amendment. Anti-lobbyist. Pro-lobbyist. No cuban embargo. Cuban embargo. Embrace Iran. Punish Iran. No border fence. Border fence. yadda yadda yadda.

This guy's leadership ability waves with the wind. Can anybody really vote for this dude?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ul8gPo4zwo

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sARnrGPlzDg - Obama responds to hecklers

 

[Matt308]

You have made my point. Who would vote for this guy?

Bush was, is and will be villified for his lack of communication skills. Bush makes this guy look like the village idiot. Obama's asked about what he has done about numerous black community issues ( ) and his response is he issued statements. That's leadership right there.

So Daniel you asked about the soothesaying aspect of McCain vs Obama. And numerous folks have replied. Is that a dead issue for you now? Are we moving on?

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

You have made my point. Who would vote for this guy?

Bush was, is and will be villified for his lack of communication skills. Bush makes this guy look like the village idiot. Obama's asked about what he has done about numerous black community issues ( ) and his response is he issued statements. That's leadership right there.

So Daniel you asked about the soothesaying aspect of McCain vs Obama. And numerous folks have replied. Is that a dead issue for you now? Are we moving on?

But, But, But, What, What, What, But, But, But, But, Uh, Uh, Uh, Uh, Which, Which, Which, Of, Of, Of....

 

[Danielmellbin]

[deleted BS that apparently was not worthy of debate]

These points are not for debate purposes - just "educated" guesses. In 4/8 years you can then mock me or hear me sing I told you so

 

[ccheese]

Daniel: I see you have a crystal ball.....do you read tea leaves too ?

Charles

 

[Matt308]

Daniel... I am speechless. I can't fathom if you are... I'm speechless.

Based upon that last post, you have lost all respect with me.

 

[Matt308]

Then why post them. I deleted them if they are not worthy of debate. Plus, I found your post offensive. Move that stuff elsewhere (Obama 5 and McCain 5).

Have a nice day.