cheddar cheese
Major General
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Rifles and Machineguns of WW2
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Chief Master Sergeant
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cheddar cheese
Major General
Definately! 8)
P38 Pilot
Tech Sergeant
I dont know about the vickers. It was a great machine gun to lay down fire with but i would got with the M2 Browning or the German MG42 anytime. The Scmessier (Mp40) seemed like a good submachine gun to use but like I posted earlier I would prefer the Tommy Gun anyday. But back to the MG42, its rate of fire was so deadly that soldiers were being taught how to get down when they heard the sound!
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The Vickers was just as good as the U.S .30 cal. I hardly believe that people were trained to get down when they heard the MG42, first off you don't need to train someone to shit themselves and duck. And secondly that could possibly be one of the worst things, you don't get down and duck if you're advancing. You keep your enemies heads down and advance. Why do you think German soldiers were so good? Because they advanced QUICKLY to cover, they never just hit the deck.
One thing about MG42 crews though, which I thought was quite smart, they used to have two MG42s set up, one loaded with tracer ammo and the other not. They'd test fire the tracer loaded one at night so it could be seen, and they'd fire it above head height so Allied soldiers thought it couldn't be depressed anymore.
Then the other was set up below that so it COULD hit the enemy, the Allied soldiers were advance thinking they were out of the field of fire of the MG 'cos it was firing above them...and by the time they'd realised that another one was hitting them, half the squad was dead or dying.
One thing about MG42 crews though, which I thought was quite smart, they used to have two MG42s set up, one loaded with tracer ammo and the other not. They'd test fire the tracer loaded one at night so it could be seen, and they'd fire it above head height so Allied soldiers thought it couldn't be depressed anymore.
Then the other was set up below that so it COULD hit the enemy, the Allied soldiers were advance thinking they were out of the field of fire of the MG 'cos it was firing above them...and by the time they'd realised that another one was hitting them, half the squad was dead or dying.
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Major General
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bloody hell that's clever.........
Wildcat
Major
As sub machine guns go, the Owen gun was one of the best especially in jungle environments. It was very reliable with stoppages being very rare and when tested against the Thompson and sten in water, mud and sand it was the only one to continue firing.
For more info see http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-weapons/omc.htm
For more info see http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-weapons/omc.htm
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P38 Pilot
Tech Sergeant
cheddar cheese
Major General
The BAR was pretty great.
The BAR was a good squad support weapon for laying down accurate support fire quickly. It was cumbersome though, and it only had 20 rounds.
The Bren was better because it wasn't much heavier, it carried a 30 round clip, it could be belt fed and it was more accurate.
The Bren was better because it wasn't much heavier, it carried a 30 round clip, it could be belt fed and it was more accurate.
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Major General
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phenominally reliable too.......
Glider
Captain
The Bren also had the ability to change barrels and was a true LMG.
Would anyone disagree that the worst SMG was the STEN
Would anyone disagree that the worst SMG was the STEN
I would because it was never built to last. It was a cheap weapon and it worked. It was only kept in massive production because it was sent to the partisans in Europe.
It could still do a lot of damage and was the perfect room clearing weapon. Accuracy isn't a must for SMGs, they're for close quarters combat. The Sten gun could do the job perfectly well. And I know everyone says that if they were dropped they would fall to pieces but you know, you shouldn't drop any gun because it tends to damage them.
It could still do a lot of damage and was the perfect room clearing weapon. Accuracy isn't a must for SMGs, they're for close quarters combat. The Sten gun could do the job perfectly well. And I know everyone says that if they were dropped they would fall to pieces but you know, you shouldn't drop any gun because it tends to damage them.
jrk
Airman 1st Class
the sten was light and effective so sorry yes i would disagree that the sten was ineffective.shipped to many countries and a widely used partisan weapon.
P38 Pilot
Tech Sergeant
Yeah the Sten was pretty cheap. But hey im an American so im always going to stick by American made guns. I would prefer the M3A1 Sub machine gun, or the Grease Gun.
Glider
Captain
It was standard practice in some British regiments to replace the Stens with captured MP40's. Certainly the Essex regiment had such a policy. Its not as silly as it sounds as they fired the same ammunition and being reliable supply wasn't a problem.
Stens were certainly cheap, thats why they were designed but there was a design flaw in the magazine which made it easy to damage, and when you magazine is sticking out of the side its easy to damage.
Stens were certainly cheap, thats why they were designed but there was a design flaw in the magazine which made it easy to damage, and when you magazine is sticking out of the side its easy to damage.
HealzDevo
Staff Sergeant
I think what is being argued is not that the Stens weren't effective but that there were some reliability issues and that which made it not as good a combat weapon.
