SAAB J35D v MiG-21 v Mirage IIIE v E/E Lightning F3 v F-8E Crusader?

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  1. Lucky13

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    Who would be the first up (pilot on stand by, in ready room) and the last one standing? No missiles, just guns here....let's go for places, 5-4-3-2-1. ;) :D
     
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    Assuming ready room to cockpit time is the same, I would say, without a doubt, no. 1 would be the F-8E since it would be on a carrier therefore short taxi (none if pre-positioned on a catapult) and VERY short takeoff run. The rest probably all roughly the same with only the positioning of ready room and location of aircraft to the runway.
     
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    First one to height would be a Saunders Roe SR177........................
     
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    I'm a big fan of the Lightning, lovely aircraft.
    Shame it had such short 'legs' (at least to begin with until the big belly tank...and even then?) was difficult to hang weapons off (tho the use of over-wing tanks was always a fairly unique in my eyes mean look.
     
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    Lightning, Crusader, J35, Mig 21, Mirage IIIe
     
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    Hypothetical question of course, but I would place my bet on Draken. The scramble time of Swedish and Finnish Drakens at the height of the Cold War was rather below than over 2 minutes. Draken's maneuverability at low speeds and altitude is also underrated. And yes, I might be biased but having seen F-16, F-18, JAS-39, AJ-37, MiG21 bis and J35
    Draken performing live and some of them in action, Draken is my all-time favourite. I think Finnish Air Force Fighter Squadron 11 vets would back me up on this: Saab J35 Draken is simply the best and most beautiful fighter jet ever!
    :D
     
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    Not realistic but if missiles are forbidden I would pick the F-8. It was called "last of the gunfighters" for a reason. Second choice would be Mirage III based on war record with Israeli pilots. They scored quite a few gun kills with this aircraft.

    For low level fight I think Hawker Hunter is worthy of consideration. Very maneuverable and it was armed with four 30mm ADEN revolver cannon.

    If the competition is simply about climbing to altitude I would pick the E/E Lighting. Not the best combat aircraft but it could climb like a bat out of Hell.
     
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    People tend to focus on the Lightning's speed and climb and tend to forget that it had for its time a very advanced radar / missile combination. The Red Top missile and its associated radar gave it a considerable advantage over any of the other aircraft which relied on the Sidewinder / Atoll missiles.

    As for the Hunter its a special aircraft as its the only one I have any experience of, but its greatest fan would have to admit that not carrying an air to air missile was a major drawback for the RAF units that flew it. I know tat some overseas air forces did arm them with air to air missiles
     
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    Why is that an issue for this scenario which uses guns only?
     
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    Fair point
     
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