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A few days ago, Smithsonian posted an article on facebook about the passing of "Dutch" Van Kirk, the last surviving crewmember of the Enola Gay.
While there were a great outpouring of support and well wished for Van Kirk, the nutjobs started creeping in with their "war crime" rhetoric.
I actually got into it with some clown who was going along replying to most of the commenters with his "Truman's war crimes" and "Truman's genocide" and pretty much has the idea that WWII was started by Truman.
As you guys know, I like to stir it up occasionally and get these dimwits all frustrated. I can just envision them yelling at their laptop in some Starbucks somewhere, on the verge of spilling their double-shot latte, with several Google-Chrome windows open to various blogs and chemtrail discussion groups.
I'll post a copy of my discussion so ya'll can point and laugh:
David To Zachary Bradford and the others, who are so entrenched in their views of revisionist history and misinformation: the combined atomic bombings of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nothing compared to the conventional bombings of Tokyo, where over 120,000 people perished and another 1.2 million were displaced. Why aren't you beating your chests and ranting over this event?
And while you're at it, why aren't you ranting and raving about the fact that well over 30,000,000 Chinese perished at the hands of Imperial Japanese occupation?
Why aren't you ranting and raving about the nearly 800,000 Koreans that perished under Imperial Japanese control?
Why aren't you ranting and raving about the nearly 1,000,000 Indonesian deaths at the hands of the Japanese?
Why aren't you ranting and raving about the nearly 200,000 Manchurians that died at the hands of the Japanese?
Why aren't you ranting and raving about the forced laborers, the brutal treatment of POWs, the confinement of dissidents who had a very short life expectancy under those conditions?
Why aren't you ranting and raving about the atrocities in other Occupied countries, like Singapore, the Phillipines, Malaya, Polynesian Islands, Saipan, Hong Kong, Burma, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia and on and on and on?
What gives YOU the right to beat your chest and scream war crimes if you have such a little grasp of actual historical events?
All you're doing, is selectively taking an event that was the culmination of a totalitarian regime's actions and twisting it into some senseless banner to follow while stepping over the corpses of those who were truly sacrificed.
You should be remembering the suffering and misery of those millions upon millions and honoring their sacrifices so no one EVER has to suffer like that again.
Shame on you.
Zachary Bradford Revisionist history? That is exactly what Truman and his administration did after the fact. They knew what they did and worked for the rest of their lives to construct a narrative to help erase the taint. The story of how many American lives saved kept growing. It finally reached a million lives... imagine that.
Zachary Bradford I do rant and rave about those. However, the Japanese administrations of those times are gone. America however is eerily the same, thus deserving focus.
David Not hardly, Zachary Bradford...the Japanese military was far from defeated and were prepared to put up a defense even stronger than Iwo Jima and Okinawa. The Japanese public were training and had been training for defense of home soil.
An invasion of mainland Japan would see every man, woman and child putting their lives on the line and fight to the death.
It was estimated that a conventional invasion of Japan would have meant the war lasting into spring on 1946...so how many more deaths by Allied and Japanese would that account for?
The Japanese were not ready to surrender and it wasn't until the Emperor's voice was heard on the radio (for the first time), telling the people that the war was over, did they accept defeat.
Don't fall for the conspiracy/revisionist BS, stick to the hard facts and preserve history so that we may learn from it...to do otherwise opens Pandora's box and we doom ourselves to repeat these horrors over and over again.
Zachary Bradford You are echoing the exact propaganda narrative Truman's administration pushed for twenty years after trying absolve itself of taint and genocide. The revisionist stuff is the account you are stating. We had no reason to invade Japan and we were negotiating with japan at the time. Russia was starting its invasion and Japan was under siege and done. It was a simple waiting game. Truman can say whatever but there is no way to remove the stain of genocide. The world knows it but I guess good old patriotic Americans will never see outside of the box constructed for them.
David No, Zachary Bradford, you are drivelling the revisionist slop that spills out of every other blog and coffeehouse, spearheaded by disenchanted internet activists and tin-foil hat dimwits. You cannot blame the U.S. for ever ill the world has ever suffered, no matter how much you wish it were true.
The U.S. did not kill all the dinosaurs, the U.S. did not topple the Roman Empire, the U.S. did not kill Ghandi and the U.S. did not start WWII.
WWII Europe was a result of the despair and ruin that Europe was left in following WWI...WWII in the Pacific had been building for several generations, also as a result of WWI. With brutal Japanese expansion in Southeast Asia, the U.S. started a limitation of oil and iron exports to Japan, who was a major consumer of those U.S. exports. They took that as an affront and an insult and ultimately this led to Pearl Harbor.
Zachary Bradfor, true history is a hell of a thing and can be far more fascinating that watching for UFOs and following blogs, try picking up a real history book sometime and read it, you may be surprised. At the very least you may learn something...well, perhaps I am being too optimistic in your case...
And there ya' have it (so far) but this clown is pretty persistent and I am expecting a reply sometime soon. A couple of my favorites from him would be:
We had no reason to invade Japan and we were negotiating with japan at the time - did anyone bother to inform the Japanese about this?
The story of how many American lives saved kept growing. It finally reached a million lives... imagine that - I suppose it's a little late to tell him there were other countries that fought against the Japanese?
I guess good old patriotic Americans will never see outside of the box constructed for them - Da comrade, patriotic American is to be puppet of state
And there ya' have it...anyone (with a FB account) that wants to check the rest out, here's the link to the Smithsonian article at FB:
https://www.facebook.com/smithsonianmagazine/posts/10152321127878253?comment_id=10152324613318253
And here's the Smithsonian article at Smithsonian Mag:
History, Travel, Arts, Science, People, Places | Smithsonian
While there were a great outpouring of support and well wished for Van Kirk, the nutjobs started creeping in with their "war crime" rhetoric.
I actually got into it with some clown who was going along replying to most of the commenters with his "Truman's war crimes" and "Truman's genocide" and pretty much has the idea that WWII was started by Truman.
As you guys know, I like to stir it up occasionally and get these dimwits all frustrated. I can just envision them yelling at their laptop in some Starbucks somewhere, on the verge of spilling their double-shot latte, with several Google-Chrome windows open to various blogs and chemtrail discussion groups.
I'll post a copy of my discussion so ya'll can point and laugh:
David To Zachary Bradford and the others, who are so entrenched in their views of revisionist history and misinformation: the combined atomic bombings of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nothing compared to the conventional bombings of Tokyo, where over 120,000 people perished and another 1.2 million were displaced. Why aren't you beating your chests and ranting over this event?
And while you're at it, why aren't you ranting and raving about the fact that well over 30,000,000 Chinese perished at the hands of Imperial Japanese occupation?
Why aren't you ranting and raving about the nearly 800,000 Koreans that perished under Imperial Japanese control?
Why aren't you ranting and raving about the nearly 1,000,000 Indonesian deaths at the hands of the Japanese?
Why aren't you ranting and raving about the nearly 200,000 Manchurians that died at the hands of the Japanese?
Why aren't you ranting and raving about the forced laborers, the brutal treatment of POWs, the confinement of dissidents who had a very short life expectancy under those conditions?
Why aren't you ranting and raving about the atrocities in other Occupied countries, like Singapore, the Phillipines, Malaya, Polynesian Islands, Saipan, Hong Kong, Burma, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia and on and on and on?
What gives YOU the right to beat your chest and scream war crimes if you have such a little grasp of actual historical events?
All you're doing, is selectively taking an event that was the culmination of a totalitarian regime's actions and twisting it into some senseless banner to follow while stepping over the corpses of those who were truly sacrificed.
You should be remembering the suffering and misery of those millions upon millions and honoring their sacrifices so no one EVER has to suffer like that again.
Shame on you.
Zachary Bradford Revisionist history? That is exactly what Truman and his administration did after the fact. They knew what they did and worked for the rest of their lives to construct a narrative to help erase the taint. The story of how many American lives saved kept growing. It finally reached a million lives... imagine that.
Zachary Bradford I do rant and rave about those. However, the Japanese administrations of those times are gone. America however is eerily the same, thus deserving focus.
David Not hardly, Zachary Bradford...the Japanese military was far from defeated and were prepared to put up a defense even stronger than Iwo Jima and Okinawa. The Japanese public were training and had been training for defense of home soil.
An invasion of mainland Japan would see every man, woman and child putting their lives on the line and fight to the death.
It was estimated that a conventional invasion of Japan would have meant the war lasting into spring on 1946...so how many more deaths by Allied and Japanese would that account for?
The Japanese were not ready to surrender and it wasn't until the Emperor's voice was heard on the radio (for the first time), telling the people that the war was over, did they accept defeat.
Don't fall for the conspiracy/revisionist BS, stick to the hard facts and preserve history so that we may learn from it...to do otherwise opens Pandora's box and we doom ourselves to repeat these horrors over and over again.
Zachary Bradford You are echoing the exact propaganda narrative Truman's administration pushed for twenty years after trying absolve itself of taint and genocide. The revisionist stuff is the account you are stating. We had no reason to invade Japan and we were negotiating with japan at the time. Russia was starting its invasion and Japan was under siege and done. It was a simple waiting game. Truman can say whatever but there is no way to remove the stain of genocide. The world knows it but I guess good old patriotic Americans will never see outside of the box constructed for them.
David No, Zachary Bradford, you are drivelling the revisionist slop that spills out of every other blog and coffeehouse, spearheaded by disenchanted internet activists and tin-foil hat dimwits. You cannot blame the U.S. for ever ill the world has ever suffered, no matter how much you wish it were true.
The U.S. did not kill all the dinosaurs, the U.S. did not topple the Roman Empire, the U.S. did not kill Ghandi and the U.S. did not start WWII.
WWII Europe was a result of the despair and ruin that Europe was left in following WWI...WWII in the Pacific had been building for several generations, also as a result of WWI. With brutal Japanese expansion in Southeast Asia, the U.S. started a limitation of oil and iron exports to Japan, who was a major consumer of those U.S. exports. They took that as an affront and an insult and ultimately this led to Pearl Harbor.
Zachary Bradfor, true history is a hell of a thing and can be far more fascinating that watching for UFOs and following blogs, try picking up a real history book sometime and read it, you may be surprised. At the very least you may learn something...well, perhaps I am being too optimistic in your case...
And there ya' have it (so far) but this clown is pretty persistent and I am expecting a reply sometime soon. A couple of my favorites from him would be:
We had no reason to invade Japan and we were negotiating with japan at the time - did anyone bother to inform the Japanese about this?
The story of how many American lives saved kept growing. It finally reached a million lives... imagine that - I suppose it's a little late to tell him there were other countries that fought against the Japanese?
I guess good old patriotic Americans will never see outside of the box constructed for them - Da comrade, patriotic American is to be puppet of state
And there ya' have it...anyone (with a FB account) that wants to check the rest out, here's the link to the Smithsonian article at FB:
https://www.facebook.com/smithsonianmagazine/posts/10152321127878253?comment_id=10152324613318253
And here's the Smithsonian article at Smithsonian Mag:
History, Travel, Arts, Science, People, Places | Smithsonian
