mkloby
Senior Master Sergeant
ScanEagle doesn't carry ordnance... I meant that the UAS could provide ISR and prevent the pirates from dumping arms overboard and claiming innocence as Colin had mentioned.
Somali Hijackers
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ScanEagle doesn't carry ordnance... I meant that the UAS could provide ISR and prevent the pirates from dumping arms overboard and claiming innocence as Colin had mentioned.
Gotcha.
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Marshall_Stack
Senior Airman
Obama has refused comment on this stuation for the second day in a row. What a prick. I am sure the captain's family is encouraged by his silence. 
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
They should keep a gun trained on the lifeboat...Morse-Code the Skipper to dive over again, as soon as he's clear, pump that puppy full of lead. Or HE. Or Seals.
Who cares about a manpad threat. That is why our helos are equipped with an ALQ and other countermeasures. There is a manpad threat in Iraq, and we compared to the millions of hours that are flown, relatively few get hit.
BombTaxi
Tech Sergeant
Obama has refused comment on this stuation for the second day in a row. What a prick. I am sure the captain's family is encouraged by his silence.
IMHO, it is often better in this kind of situation that the politicos pipe down and let the professionals get on with the situation. There is an AEGIS destroyer and a bunch of other ships chasing after a lifeboat in order to rescue this skipper - I don't think anything any politician says will serve to amplify the obvious commitment the US has to getting their guy home safe.
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Marshall_Stack
Senior Airman
How about coming underneath the craft with a submarine and broach it. Seals jump out and get the captain.
Our Commander-in-Chief leaves something to be desired...
Our Commander-in-Chief leaves something to be desired...
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Marshall_Stack
Senior Airman
I'm not expecting him to direct the operations or to disclose them. Just acknowledge what is going on and say something for the captain's family, however small the message.
pbfoot
1st Lieutenant
I'll wager he has contacted the family (btw the blues did well this year)
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Marshall_Stack
Senior Airman
Yeah, you are probably right.
BTW, I had no idea where your flag / country was from. It didn't take long to be jealous. But, you probably don't have hockey down there.
evangilder
"Shooter"
You make it sound oh so simple...
These pirates know that they are dead meat if we go in like that, and if we try to do something like that, the first shot fired by the pirates will most likely be at the Captain, not at his rescuers.
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Marshall_Stack
Senior Airman
Njaco
The Pop-Tart Whisperer
I heard yesterday that other pirates were in other ships heading towards the lifeboat with other hostages that they had, just in case. I believe thats why Petraius was saying he had more ships going.
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
Would it be too far-fetched to have a Seal team exit a sub (torpedo tubes or DDS), ghost up underneath the lifeboat, quietly take out anybody topside, and storm the thing? Just wondering...
pbfoot
1st Lieutenant
easier yet bring in some 4 or more snipers
Bucksnort101
2nd Lieutenant
How about some trained Great White Sharks, swim in and tip over the boat, eat the pirates, rescue the Captain.
Seriously though, I think our Pres. is very reluctant to use force, must use the avenue of discussion and diplomacy first? Time to use Snipers is probably past if the Pirates have the other hijacked ships at the location?
Seriously though, I think our Pres. is very reluctant to use force, must use the avenue of discussion and diplomacy first? Time to use Snipers is probably past if the Pirates have the other hijacked ships at the location?
evangilder
"Shooter"
Gents, you have to realize it is a covered lifeboat. 4 snipers being able to all get clean shots off at one time on a target that is not clear is a huge risk. And if one misses, I can guarantee you they will kill the captain. They have also closed the portholes that would give any clear shot.
I am sure that many scenarios are being considered, but as long as the captain is on that life boat with 4 armed thugs, they have to be ultra careful. Considering he offered himself to save the rest of his crew, I think the least they can do is to give him the best chance at getting out alive.
Let's not second guess an operation that is current and on-going. Plus, not knowing who might be reading this, we should be careful about throwing out ideas that may be useful to the bad guys.
I am sure that many scenarios are being considered, but as long as the captain is on that life boat with 4 armed thugs, they have to be ultra careful. Considering he offered himself to save the rest of his crew, I think the least they can do is to give him the best chance at getting out alive.
Let's not second guess an operation that is current and on-going. Plus, not knowing who might be reading this, we should be careful about throwing out ideas that may be useful to the bad guys.
pbfoot
1st Lieutenant
I agree with all you say I just offerd up the snipers as a more realistic scenario until I watched on the news about the lifeboat
Freebird
Master Sergeant
Is that a fiberglass top?
BombTaxi
Tech Sergeant
I don't think Obama's unwillingness to use force should be written of 'weakness' (although it will be anyway). As Evan has pointed out, going in with guns blazing, or using force of any kind is more than likely to result in the captain's death. This one will have to be negotiated in all likelihood. I know that many here support the line that the US never negotiates with tese kind of people, but how rigidly that line is adhered to will depend entirely, IMHO, on how much the US wants their guy back alive...
