Somali Hijackers
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Looks like a green-light then. 
pbfoot
1st Lieutenant
sounds like a reasoned response by both parties let the professional people do their jobs , think about it for a second the navy has been given the parameters with possible FBI hostage negotiaters let them do the job it isn't an episode of Cops or Americas most wanted
Think Clinton got it right, she's been around longer and knows the right things to say at the right time.
Think Obama is an empty suit. But let's at least acknowledge something happened. Far from being an episode of Cops or America's most wanted, an event has happened on the high seas, involving American citizens, an American flagged vessel and an American warship (with FBI agents on it) and the President registers a "No comment".
Reverse the situation and turn all those individuals into Canadians (with leeway). Wouldn't you expect Harper to at least comment on the situation?
Think Obama is an empty suit. But let's at least acknowledge something happened. Far from being an episode of Cops or America's most wanted, an event has happened on the high seas, involving American citizens, an American flagged vessel and an American warship (with FBI agents on it) and the President registers a "No comment".
Reverse the situation and turn all those individuals into Canadians (with leeway). Wouldn't you expect Harper to at least comment on the situation?
pbfoot
1st Lieutenant
I'm sure many would want that but IMHO its grandstanding for the 15sec video clip let the pros do there jobs without hinderence from the suits . I'm sure the pros have their marching orders from the top if not you have cause to worry.
Would of expected at least a comment out of him, any other head of state would of made comment - or I would of expected to make comment. Hillary at least said something along the right lines.
Bingo, Q-ships or other methods of self defence would definitely reduce the problems. The Navy patrolling can only do so much as there a huge surface area of ocean to cover plus the pirates can avoid the Navy's and perform their acts elsewhere. Self defence would be a much better solution than the patrolling which is fairly ineffective and can only do so much.
Bingo, Q-ships or other methods of self defence would definitely reduce the problems. The Navy patrolling can only do so much as there a huge surface area of ocean to cover plus the pirates can avoid the Navy's and perform their acts elsewhere. Self defence would be a much better solution than the patrolling which is fairly ineffective and can only do so much.
I saw a news piece a few months ago that painted a sympathetic view of the pirates. According to the story:
Most pirates are not "professional pirates" they are laborers out of work and recruited by a gang leader.
Most pirates leave their families and villages hundreds of miles behind for the promise of "work' as a pirate.
Most pirates have to invest in the process. It's a co-op. They contract for a period of time and have to supply their own weapons and help pay for fuel and other expenses. If there is no "score" there is no pay. They will actually lose money. It's also a way to keep those involved indentured.
The funny thing was that the pirate they were documenting was involved in a small but successful raid. He, along with the other pirates, went into town and spent EVERY LAST DIME on booze and hookers. Nothing was sent back to his family.
Yet they blamed the peer pressure of the situation for the guy spending all his money... If he didnt party with the pirates, they would have looked down on our hero and thought he was weak!
Everybody is a victim except those that are victimized...
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Most pirates are not "professional pirates" they are laborers out of work and recruited by a gang leader.
Most pirates leave their families and villages hundreds of miles behind for the promise of "work' as a pirate.
Most pirates have to invest in the process. It's a co-op. They contract for a period of time and have to supply their own weapons and help pay for fuel and other expenses. If there is no "score" there is no pay. They will actually lose money. It's also a way to keep those involved indentured.
The funny thing was that the pirate they were documenting was involved in a small but successful raid. He, along with the other pirates, went into town and spent EVERY LAST DIME on booze and hookers. Nothing was sent back to his family.
Yet they blamed the peer pressure of the situation for the guy spending all his money... If he didnt party with the pirates, they would have looked down on our hero and thought he was weak!
Everybody is a victim except those that are victimized...
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Marshall_Stack
Senior Airman
I have also read support for the pirates because "the west has over-fished the area around Somalia and dumps toxic waste (including radioactive matter) onto their shores".
BombTaxi
Tech Sergeant
That isn't a justification for piracy - but if true, it is something the West should address.
Five Pirated Crews Who Didn't Fare as Well as the Americans
5 Pirated Crews Who Didn't Fare as Well as the Americans
A pirate mothership killed 15 crewmen on this small Thai boat last fall.
5 Pirated Crews Who Didn't Fare as Well as the Americans
A pirate mothership killed 15 crewmen on this small Thai boat last fall.
Attachments
and more are on the way........
"The pirates have summoned assistance - skiffs and motherships are heading towards the area from the coast," said a Nairobi-based diplomat, who spoke on condition on anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media. "We knew they were gathering yesterday."
Samaw said two ships left Eyl on Wednesday afternoon. A third sailed from Haradhere, another pirate base in central Somalia, and the fourth one was a Taiwanese fishing vessel seized Monday that was already only 30 miles (48 kilometers) from the lifeboat.
AT&T
"The pirates have summoned assistance - skiffs and motherships are heading towards the area from the coast," said a Nairobi-based diplomat, who spoke on condition on anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media. "We knew they were gathering yesterday."
Samaw said two ships left Eyl on Wednesday afternoon. A third sailed from Haradhere, another pirate base in central Somalia, and the fourth one was a Taiwanese fishing vessel seized Monday that was already only 30 miles (48 kilometers) from the lifeboat.
AT&T
Quite an interesting article that says most of what we have said here.
BBC NEWS | Africa | Could 19th-Century plan stop piracy?
BBC NEWS | Africa | Could 19th-Century plan stop piracy?
Vassili Zaitzev
Master Sergeant
Interesting, that might work, cut the head off the snake.
Njaco
The Pop-Tart Whisperer
A bit of trivia....
The first Navy destroyer on the scene of the recent pirate attack on the Maersk Alabama is the USS Bainbridge, named after William Bainbridge. Anybody know the unique connection here?
The first Navy destroyer on the scene of the recent pirate attack on the Maersk Alabama is the USS Bainbridge, named after William Bainbridge. Anybody know the unique connection here?
ToughOmbre
Senior Master Sergeant
He (William Bainbridge) commanded the frigate Philadelphia which was captured by Tripoli pirates after running aground off Tripoli in 1804.
TO
mudpuppy
Senior Airman
That is an interesting coincidence, Njaco! I had no idea of the connection but a quick jump to Wikipedia showed me this:
William Bainbridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I saw a "breaking news" bit this morning that the Captain had jumped the lifeboat but was recaptured by the pirates and brought back on board before the USN could respond. Brave man. Thoughts and prayers to him and his family.
William Bainbridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I saw a "breaking news" bit this morning that the Captain had jumped the lifeboat but was recaptured by the pirates and brought back on board before the USN could respond. Brave man. Thoughts and prayers to him and his family.
Njaco
The Pop-Tart Whisperer
Thats it TO! Thought it was interesting.
It is.. thanks for that nugget.
i wish we had "Ole Hickory", Andrew Jackson in office now.
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mkloby
Senior Master Sergeant
I'm aware of the manpad threat. There is ALWAYS the manpad threat. That doesn't mean you do not utilize your assets.
There's an easy solution - did you notice the USN said they will be utilizing their ScanEagle in that area.
You talking a Hellfire shot from out of the sun? Definitely fix the problem with regards to the "other pirate forces" on their way to the scene. Didn't know the Scan Ealge carried a payload.
Then again, a 5" 54 fired over optic sights would do the job too. Give the Gunner's Mates a little live fire practice (after the appropiate warning and shots fired across the bow, that sort of thing. Don't want to appear to be savages about this thing).
I ran across an image somewhere of about 8 or 9 of the warships grouped. If I had been thinking, I would have grabbed it...it was pretty cool!
1,000 posts, dang...I hadn't noticed! Perhaps for a prize, we should get a night on the town with one of the girls from the "Breaking News!" thread!!
now thats a good idea
