SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
You are aware it is more economical to get knickers in a bunch than getting them individually?
Spielberg Hanks Reunite For HBO Mini-Series "Masters of the Air"
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SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I'm stealing that.
special ed
1st Sergeant
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I don't wear knickers. They are easily bunched.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
That's why so many have them in bulk.
wuzak
Captain
From the various trailers it would appear that there will be scenes involving the Tuskegee airmen in their base and flying their P-51s.
The Tuskegee airmen received their P-51s around July 1944. Episode 6 ended with Egan entering Luft Stalag III on 17 October 1943. So there has to be some significant time jumps in the next episode or two.
That said, Reel History in his review of the sixth episode said that the Crosby story line happened in March 1944, not October 1943 as it would appear in the series.
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
I'd need to check the first chapters of Crosby's book, "On a Wing and a Prayer", but from memory, he started the narrative with the Trondheim raid, and went on to describe ops in summer 1943. I haven't finished reading the book yet, as it was laid aside when I was awaiting eye surgery.
wuzak
Captain
So they just did a 5 month jump to March 1944.
There was a bit about the Great Escape, the two flyers that were trying to escape from Belgium suddenly appeared in the UK, Doolittle and his plan to use the bombers are mentioned.
The arrival of the P-51 is mentioned, and they are shown, briefly, dogfighting the Luftwaffe. No mention of who was flying them.
Oh, and the preview shows episode 8 has significant scenes about the Tuskegee airmen, but not in the POW camp.
There was a bit about the Great Escape, the two flyers that were trying to escape from Belgium suddenly appeared in the UK, Doolittle and his plan to use the bombers are mentioned.
The arrival of the P-51 is mentioned, and they are shown, briefly, dogfighting the Luftwaffe. No mention of who was flying them.
Oh, and the preview shows episode 8 has significant scenes about the Tuskegee airmen, but not in the POW camp.
Peter Gunn
Master Sergeant
wuzak
Captain
The narrator (Crosby) says that the P-51 was the best fighter of the war.
That is certainly an argument we've had on here over the years.
I wouldn't have been surprised if they had said that the engine was a mass produced American version of a hand-built British engine.
It's hard to tell from the vision, since the fighters are mostly a blur, but it would appear that some of the P-51s were P-51Ds, and one of them appeared to have a red tail.
Which would have been the case in March 1944.
Cleven, Egan and their fellow POWs hear the anti-aircraft fire against "the first daylight raid on Berlin".
The first daylight raid on Berlin had, in fact, happened a year earlier.
That is certainly an argument we've had on here over the years.
I wouldn't have been surprised if they had said that the engine was a mass produced American version of a hand-built British engine.
It's hard to tell from the vision, since the fighters are mostly a blur, but it would appear that some of the P-51s were P-51Ds, and one of them appeared to have a red tail.
Which would have been the case in March 1944.
Cleven, Egan and their fellow POWs hear the anti-aircraft fire against "the first daylight raid on Berlin".
The first daylight raid on Berlin had, in fact, happened a year earlier.
wuzak
Captain
Episode 8 has just aired.
It contains a story line about the 332nd Fighter Group, the Tuskegee Airmen.
It first shows them flying P-40s performing a ground attack mission. Then discusses them going into escort, and getting P-51s for that role.
Then it skips a couple of months, mentions them escorting a bombing raid, but not showing it.
Then they show a raid on the south of France in August 1944. The 332nd were shown flying P-51Ds fitted with rocket projectiles.
drgondog tells me that the 332nd did not get P-51Ds that early, and that the P-51D did not get rocket stubs until April 1945.
View: https://youtu.be/TH6zC9yhfbw?si=gawBcoNjVF_tvW_L
This reviewer mentions that there is no evidence of the 100th BG having any interaction with the 332nd FG, but does not question why they were included?
It contains a story line about the 332nd Fighter Group, the Tuskegee Airmen.
It first shows them flying P-40s performing a ground attack mission. Then discusses them going into escort, and getting P-51s for that role.
Then it skips a couple of months, mentions them escorting a bombing raid, but not showing it.
Then they show a raid on the south of France in August 1944. The 332nd were shown flying P-51Ds fitted with rocket projectiles.
drgondog tells me that the 332nd did not get P-51Ds that early, and that the P-51D did not get rocket stubs until April 1945.
View: https://youtu.be/TH6zC9yhfbw?si=gawBcoNjVF_tvW_L
This reviewer mentions that there is no evidence of the 100th BG having any interaction with the 332nd FG, but does not question why they were included?
wuzak
Captain
drgondog
Major
Jeez - historically crap. The 332nd didn't fly P-51B/C until July 1944. P-5D/K in December 1944. AFIK, nobody in 8th AF or 15th or 12th or 9th AF ever flew a rocket attack mission in a P-51D-20 (kit) or P-51D-25 (production).
USN and RN were flying carrier based attacks to support Dragoon.
The only P-51B/D populated missions from Italy (Foggia) over southern France were the return legs of the UK based Frantic missions between July and Sept 22nd, 1944. My father led the last one. The latest model P-51D in combat at that time was P-51D-10-NA.
Looks like Gulf War re-enactment to go after radar sites - with no GPS, just typical fighter pilot navigation skills (notoriously low) to find needle in haystack targets with as yet unavailable and historically in-accurate rockets.
Far cry from Band of Brothers. Disappointing is an understatement.
wuzak
Captain
Alexander Jefferson - Wikipedia
That has the 12 August mission as "strafing", which I would take to mean gun attacks.
Unfortunately they don't say what aircraft they were flying.
Lucky13
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....now we need BBC to hit back with RAF and its Bomber Boys and some nightfighter action! 
I can't shows like this, keep looking for mistakes etc., etc., no matter how many times I keep telling myself "it's only entertainment"....
I blame this forum....
....and books!
I can't shows like this, keep looking for mistakes etc., etc., no matter how many times I keep telling myself "it's only entertainment"....
I blame this forum....
....and books!
I wish some of you would stop belly aching about historical accuracy. This is a Hollywood production, not a documentary. Of course, they are going to take some liberties with the historical facts. It's for mass television consumption. It's entertainment. That's the way it works. The average person watching this show doesn't care if they were flying P-51Bs, Cs, or Ds. If Hanks and Spielberg can get 75% of the story right, can give us the essence of what happened then, it's the best you're going to get. Deal with it, watch the episodes (or not) and accept it for what it is.
drgondog
Major
Hmm - why advertise as the story of the Mighty Eighth when the factual history is no less entertaining, and basically easier to tell the story as it was to be found? No matter, the story rendition is certainly the prerogative of the producers.
Thank you for permission, however, to view or not - or accept or not - as well as careful instructions to deal with it.
I'm truly grateful for your grand gesture.
And I'm truly ungrateful at your terse, condescending response. You just don't get get what this series is about or the way programs of this type are created.
You should be honored. You're the first wiseguy I'll put on my ignore list here. I suggest you do the same.
You should be honored. You're the first wiseguy I'll put on my ignore list here. I suggest you do the same.
Thumpalumpacus
Captain
Unless it's sold as a documentary, of course they are going to take liberties with the history in order to display 24 months in 11 hours. I don't mind if the model of P-51 isn't exactly correct.
I do find it irritating that they should shoehorn the Red Tails into a story that really has nothing to do with them.
I do find it irritating that they should shoehorn the Red Tails into a story that really has nothing to do with them.
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